Just corn and Spinners

[Jeff Jones]

When newly plante fish are the target - would you fish regular flies ( nymphs/streamers) or "pellet flies". I have used the latter with great results on Smith's and wonder if it will pay off elsewhere..like say.....where the fish-cam resides. Any ideas? Surely I won't have to resort to Rooster-tails! Spinner, where ya at, my man?

[The Ole Man]

New stock fish have been fed at the hatchery from day one. When they are put in a stream the feeding stops. Now they are in new water, different temp's,new environment, and no feed. After a day or two with nothing to eat, it doesn't matter what you fish with. They'll grab anything that looks edible. This is when they are most vulnerable to being caught by the bucketfuls. Some states don't allow any fishing for several days after a stocking. This allows the fish time to adjust and disperse, so fishermen can't walk up on a pod of new fish and catch them wholesale. What seems more sporting to you??

[BT]

Ole Man I like that idea, it sure would put a crimp in the style of those folks that like to follow the hatchery truck around wouldn't it? Then the rest of us would have a better shot at the fish, some of us have to work and can't follow the truck!

[The Ole Man]

BT
There's just one problem. The same problem thats already had so much discussion on this board. Who's going to enforce it? It's just like a stop sign. No cop, no stop.

[BT]

Years ago in Calif. a person was required to complete a hunter saftey course before they could get a permit to hunt, too bad we can't have something similar to educate people before they get a trout stamp.

[NightOwl]

Wait just a cottin' pickin' min-et !
http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/smile.gif Either you all took the post wrong or I'm in the minority again. Which is fine.
#1 Is it really sporting to tempt some poor " dumb" trout at all ? I have no problem standing in a pool ith 100 fish and catching them till my arm gets tired. Notice I didn't say "keep"- I said " catch". One of the most memorable days I've ever had was on Rock Creek a couple of days after the fishin Rodeo. They may not have been wild ( which I prefer) but they were willing. I caught and released 73 trout in less than 5 hours. I know some of you would put that on a level with tournament fishing for Largemouths - but I'm not against that either ! I released almost every one of them and the one or two I kept and ate were not gonna make it. I don't feel bad one bitfor catching a trout after it's been stocked! If I catch 'em at least you KNOW they will be there when you get there behid me. I would hope you all would do the same for me. It's just a fish, you know. Where is Mr.T when I neeeeed him?
#2 If you want to push for a "off limits" period, go right ahead- I'll support it 100 % ! It wouldn't kill me to wait til they get accustomed to their new home. However, I don't think it would make mch difference - they'd be a week's worth of hungry and more desperate than ever. Maybe if we left them alone for 6 months. That might work. Butyou are treading on A-Team ground with that stand. Oce again - my motto - It's JUST a fish ! http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/smile.gif
#3 Sorry if I came back hard, but I am apparently a little touchy when it comes to these types of posts when all I did was ask for tactics help.
“ sniff-sniff-whine”
Come and get it Rod !!! http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/smile.gif

[NightOwl]

Maybe my new handle shoulda been - Muddman or how 'bout Bad-man. oooo, ooo,, I've got it - - -The Anti-fish! http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/smile.gif Oh, don't get uptight - I'm joking ( and usually am 90% of the time - go read a FishTale and make a guess at the " contest story" !!! http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/smile.gif

[spinner]

Hello Night Owl..I have never fished for trout with corn...Didn't know you could catch them on corn! I always thought you guys were using corn as a code word for something else..I don't fish for stockers...I could catch them for the first couple of weeks of season if I wanted to...They are so stupid...It is not fun for me..Most of the stockers are fished out in the first 10 days up here...Another thing...STOCKERS taste terrible..I help feed the trout for our local sportsmans club and all they eat are LIVER pellets..NO THANKS...Haven't posted for a while because my early trout season opens March 01...11 Days....I have been busy making trips to Cabelas for trout lures/rods/reels/camo...I was practicing with my fly rod a lot lately...I think it is going to to stay on the shelf for a while..I don't know if it is a lack of coordination or the streams are just too small..spinner...

[The Ole Man]

Jeff
It's not you we're worried about. We know you release a lot of fish. You also pay taxes, buy a license and a trout stamp and are entitled to keep some of the states fish. But we are not who is going to come along fishing behind you. We're concerned about the freezer fisherman that want's every fish the truck dumped. I'm a N.Ga native,I know how it works. I know guys that know local rangers, know their phone no's.,know where they live. They don't wait to see the stock truck. They call and ask when it's coming. Years ago, when trout fishing was a real novelty in GA and the poulation was about half what it is now, you could call Game & Fish (before it was DNR) in Atlanta and they would tell you the stock schedule for a stream. Then these folks call all their friends and relatives,and let them know. The truck shows up and lo ,look, here comes the truck and we just happened to be here fishing. They take 75 or 100 right off. They come back the next day and get 100 more. The delivery is on Tues and by Friday they're all gone. Joe Schmo works an 8 to 5 all week and on Sat. he goes to the stream for some fishing. He fishes all day-catches and sees nothing. He goes home, says he got skunked, and that there are no fish in that stream. He never goes back. End of story. Do you see the light?

[NightOwl]

sure.

[SideWinder]

You're on the $$$ Ole Man!! Keep preaching 'bout them freezer stockers and maybe we can get some help. Wouldn't it be wonderful if they could "close" the stream for a few days after stocking. It sure would make more fun to fish!

[NightOwl]

Or, you could just ask them to wait 'til you got there on Sat. morning, right!?!?!?!

[The Ole Man]

Or maybe they could disguise the tank truck as an ice cream truck or maybe a stretch limo? A setic tank truck? Don't look for anything significant to ever happen in this regard. Georgia state governments attention to sportsmans interests is pretty much zero. If you want to see a state that is heavily committed to the sportsmans interests and the tourism it draws, go to Drifters Virtual Fish Camp and link to the "Good Stuff" about Arkansas , the White River, Buffalo River, etc., and get into the pages on the hatchery operations both for lakes and rivers. The Kroger Co. even gave the state a huge hatchery. Ga is too busy bulldozing it's land into developments, residential and commercial. to pay any attention to hunting and fishing.

[KB]

You're rightr Ole Man. Did you read in the paper this morning that metro Atlanta loses 50 acres of trees EVERY DAY to bulldozers? If anybody thinks those bulldozers are'nt workin' their way up to the mountains they are crazy as hell.

[SHAWN]

Hatchery trucks need to start having full stealth missions with orders to shoot on site those attempting to follow. Nah. As far as no fishing goes for stocking days. I don't know about that. Fishing is like having to use the restroom. When you got to go, you got to go!
Shawn

[SHAWN]

Developement is in the hand of those that run the counties. I don't know if it is the same where you guys live but everyone in the county commisioners offices are realaters. Check this out in you r own counties. You might be supprised how many realaters are own your county commisions. With these people holding the descision making capabilities, you can only expect MORE DEVELOPEMENT. Although many of these people are great people, most are filling their own pockets.
Shawn

[NightOwl]

KB, maybe you should leave Snellville and move to Fla. with Mr.T ! c'mon it's a joke ! Maybe we could get 'em to try it on a certian stream - even though I'm against such a rule - I would be willing to support a test on the idea! See, I'm not totally without reason. If I could only learn to make a ' kooky-face, oh well - http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/smile.gif

[KB]

I think you mis-understood me NO. I agree with the Ole Man about where the state of Ga.'s interests are. The preservation of natural habitat is not one of them.
I consider the White River program and a Delayed Harvest program separate issues from C&R. C&R should only take place on wild and native streams, and not all wild streams should be C&R; however all native streams should.
I think the White river program provides more sporting fishery than a more natural fishery, just as Smith Creek. Personally, I prefer wild trout.
It's too hot in Florida anyway.

[NightOwl]

When you say "native" streams and not wild streams, do you mean Brookie streams as "native"? Did you read my post above on PETA. What an oppertunity for them to come in behind us if we make ANY fish totally protected from harvest. PETA would say, if your sooooo concerned for the trout, don't bother him at all. I am for conservation because I love fooling trout and want thereto be some left for future generations. There is no noble motive for me. I want to protect them so I can use them - isn't this the reason we get mad when someone takes tiny little fish or more than he should. We're angry because He/She hastaken part of the resource that we would have liked to have seen remain there. We want to see the little fish grow up - why? - so they'll have happy, productive, trout lives? No. So "we" can come along and catch them later. I'm telling you now, don't let " The Dark Side" get a foothold here. We wll all be sorry.
NightOwl http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/smile.gif

[The Ole Man]

Night Owl
Your conservation philosophy is right in line with most conservation organizations, even though they down play the reality. Take Ducks Unlimited for example. Why do they go to the trouble of raising millions of dollars to buy and improve duck habitat. They want there to be more ducks-so they can kill more ducks. Right. If you don't have enough ducks ,you can't kill any ducks. If you can't kill any ducks ,you can't be a duck hunter. They also don't have to be concerned at all with catch and release-not unless they start shooting them with paint balls. Don't know how you would tell a native duck from a hatchery duck. Maybe they are all natives.

[KB]

When I say "native" streams I do mean streams that support native Georgia Brook trout. Wild streams would be streams that reproduce trout without stockings.
Implementing C&R on SOME of these streams would possibly result in larger, and smarter wild trout. Lets face it, wild, larger, and smarter trout are more fun to catch.

[NightOwl]

I Think " some" is acceptable. I thought the original ? was "all". Ol Man that's right. If we were all peta members we sure wouldn't be " harassing" the local fish pop. In all things - moderation.

Except in the timespent fishing.


Isn't that how that goes? ( hehe)

[Mr T1]

Nightowl -- Hang in there! Sooner or later, we're all gonna figure out that we're pretty much on the same wavelength. This is a fairly reasoned conversation. The first time I mentioned that I was opposed to C&R, you would have thought I had committed heresy.

Ole Man is right about DU, but in their effort to create more wetlands to create more ducks so they can shoot them, they have saved more wetlands and ducks that all of the TU organizations combined. While you can't C&R a dead duck, you can still protect the bird by protecting its habitat. Everybody benefits. And, DU is also one of the most effective fundraising organizations ever created. They've figured out how to get rednecks to part with their hard-earned money and smile about it. Perhaps TU ought to consider the same approach, buying up trout water and restricting access to TU members or those who contribute to TU.

Interestingly enough, I agree that education IS one of the answers. Many of the corn people I've met, don't even think about releasing fish even if they don't plan on eating them. They generously give them away to friends and neighbors who haven't been as luck.

One of the things I noted in the Arkansas C&R approach is that it's not pure C&R. It's size limits, instead. And, I've been maintaining all along that other tools are more effective or, at least equally effective as C&R, and they still allow the taking of some fish. I also maintain that in any fishery, there needs to be a certain amount of taking to weed out the weaker of the species. Basic Darwinian theory...

Shawn...I don't hate the topic of C&R, I dislike C&R itself. I really enjoy DISCUSSING it. I get a little peeved when it digresses to personal slams and criticism. I also get more than a little p*ssed when people put words in my mouth or don't take time to understand what I've said before they lash out.

[NightOwl]

#1 Darwin is dead and the theory he proposed is the silliest thing I've ever heard - and beliee me I'm not alone in this world on that one!
#2 I WILL NEVER give away a fish to " friends and neighbors". I hope you don't get offended by this( honestly) but like I said before, that's why we have Kroger's ! If soeone sitting on the bank next to me as I catch a b****says" i'll take him if your gonna throw him back - I politly explain that I would rather have him in the pond than on their dinner plate. If they put the time into learning to catch fish - then they wouldn't be begging for mine. Can I have your job, Shawn? I can't "land" one on my own. I haven't got the skill or training and don't care to put forth the effort - but can I have it anyway , cause I'm really GREEDY?!!

get it ?

[Tommy Hunter]

Spinner,
Just saw your message from 2-18. Man I figured you'd know all about fishing with corn. Aren't you in Madison, WI? Friends of mine in Wausau say its one of the best way to fish for big browns and rainbows at night on the Great Lakes. I have caught "smart" native cutthroats and brookies in small streams in Wyoming while deer hunting. Seems trout will attack corn just about anywhere and at anytime.

Tommy Hunter

[spinner]

Tommy...I do fish in the big lake but not as often as small streams...Some of my panther martins could p****as corn. I will give it a try in May when you can use non-artificals...I have used corn before but for carp...It works really well..I work in Madison but live in Richland Center...I don't like the big city...I also run in to a lot of people that are work related and that can be troubling...Give my e-mail address to your wisconsin buddies and I will take them to some primo spots,,,,,spinner...

[Tommy Hunter]

spinner,
How about me man? I get up there from time to time on business.

Tommy

[spinner]

Tommy...ANY TIME...bring a camera with...spinner........