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As I try to get together with Hooker, I suddenly realized that I don't know the aswer to this "?" !!! So, is it two differet species , er whut ? http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/smile.gif Thanks.
I have heard that they are two different species. When I fished the Flint, I caught two types of bazz. One type was small and pot-bellied, and the other was normal bazz shaped. I'm too color blind to note red eyes.
Yes, shoalies and redeyes are probably two different species of bass. Before manmade introductions, the shoal b****were located in the Apalachicola River system only. They have been introduced to the Ocmulgee.
The redeye's scientific name is Micropterus coosae. The shoal's has yet to be identified formally, although if I remember right, some scientists have identified them as a separate species from the redeye in an article. "McClane's gamefish of North America" gives a brief description of the different species of bass. One note to McClane, the Wichita spotted b****has been subsequently identified as a hybrid bewteen the spotted b****(M. punctalatus) and the smallmouth (M. dolomieu).
To further complicate the matter, the centrarchids are known to hybridize easily, so at times, it's hard to identify a particular fish.
Hope this helps, DA
Identification of shoalies and redeyes is sometimes very difficult because they do cross, and well meaning anglers do stock them in different river systems. Frequently the coloration will be distinctive. The younger redeyes in particular (those are the ones I always catch) will have a reddish caudal fin with a white outer edge. If coloration is not distinct, I will rub my finger on the tongue. If there is a rough patch present, it is a redeye, if the tongue is smooth, it is a shoalie. Also, the mouth hinges under the eye on both shoalies and redeyes, and behind the eye on a largemouth.
damnation...you guys rule...
Owl, if Hooker goes to rub your tongue, don't panic. There is method to his madness.
Now I would have to answer no to Owlie boyz question. The Yankie red eye is alot different looking then the southern Red-Neck version also known as a shoalie. Yankie red eye's are alot more like the Yankie "Bluegill's" other wise known down ear as a Brim, but they do in fact have red eye's.
Food fer taut....
Flyfuy - after that right turn from the boat ramp to the Fling - your just plain " lost" Yankee or not ! http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/smile.gif hehehehe
Oh I meant to say " Flygu't' - dang ! http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/smile.gif
Actually, these things looked so much like smallies - I'm callin em redneck smallies. They hit harder than a trout or a b@ss, and won't give up until the very end. A five pounder would probably break your arm.....these dudes are BAD ! http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/smile.gif
Heded to " below Jackson" on my next days off !!!!
I believe the red-eye is what we northerners called a rock bass, found in both rivers and lakes. They hit hard, then fight like a wet tennis shoe...
Ditto on the rock bass. One in the same as a red-eye.
I beg to differ. I think your " rock bass" is called a " Warmoth" here. Huge mouth, speckled body( squatty) and fights like you say.
Red-eyes in N.GA creeks fight like shoalies - never give up flop alot - almost spasmatic if I remember right. I could be wrong. ( Nooooooooo http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/smile.gif )
06-27-99, 11:10 AM
Canoed and fished the Towaliga last weekend and caught a lot of what my hostess said were shoalies (along with a number of largemouth). Didn't notice a eye-catching fin difference, but saw the red/orange eyes.
"I believe the red-eye is what we northerners called a rock bass, found in both rivers and lakes."
Rock bass, Amblolites rupestris, are called red-eyes but they are not the same thing as the red-eye bass, Micropterus coosae.
"I think your " rock bass" is called a " Warmoth" here."
Warmouth, aka stumpknocker, is different than a rock bass. It's a completely different species. I can probably get the scientific name, if anyone cares to have it.
Naw, don't go to all that trouble, dude. i just know red-eye's don't fight like a wet tennis shoe...so I dunno.....maybe those Yankee fish are just weaklings ! http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/smile.gif
On a shoalie , the black markings on the side of the fish are vertical and they usually have a black spot on thier tail.
The largemouths' jaws hinges behind the eye, and they have a midline black stripe parallel to the body.
What kind of baits where you using, and how much did your big fish weigh?
Owlie Ole Boy...
I would have to reply to you by saying "Have you ever caught a yankie smallmouth bass"? Pound for pound the smallmouth b****back younder north way figth better than any other fresh water b****that I have caught and I won't even get into the yankie steelies and salmon that fight you till your arm hurts or burns up your drag system on your reel. I think the term weaklings is a little bit of an under score here.
06-28-99, 08:37 PM
The large largemouths were 1.5-2 pounds on a clouser and an RLD. The shoalies were like medium bluegill size on RLDs.
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