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The Ole Man
12-20-98, 03:34 PM
The Drifter recently provided the flyswappers with a salmon fly swap URL from Norway. This is run by Jan Furuly on his webpage. I viewed the flies and went on to Furulys Fly Pages. The words " Should Dead Fish Be Shown On The Internet" stood out. Seems Furuly stirred a huge controversy with his photo of some dead salmon in the bottom of a boat. He was attacked the first day he went on the Web. His email ran over, and the controversy raged for weeks. Some of the email is shown on his pages. An outdoor photographer admonished that fish should only be photographed being cradled prior to release and that the killing of fish is a private affair that should never be shown. You'll just have to read it.As I think about it,I don't recall ever seeing a dead fish shown in any of the 3 or 4 flyfishing mag's that I subscribe to. Since I just mailed Aaron a news photo of a quite dead 15# Hooch brown trout, that I hoped he might get on the pic board, I can't help but wonder if this is out of line. I was going to post my favorite recipe: Baked Stocker A La Hooch in Chive Cream Sauce sometime too, but am having second thoughts. Jan's page is at http://home.sol.no/~jangf/flyswap4.htm. Go to Furulys Fly Pages. I know The Ole Man doesn't get out much anymore, but has it gotten this bad? Is this what we've come to? Lord help us if anyone ever documents one days operations at a slaughter house. Every burger joint in America will be suject to bombing and bankruptcy. Any members care to share their thoughts?
12-20-98, 06:45 PM
Ole Man...I think the complainers are probably card carrying members of PETA...I really like photos of large trout..If you would like to send me the photos...I would like it and we could exchange recipes also...Spinner...
Unless we have some closet PETA members, I don't think you'll find a problem here with dead fish pictures. In fact, I'm fixin to go catch a mess of trout myself to smoke for Christmas dinner. What I would really like to confirm though is the size of that dead
15# Brown trout. Does # mean pounds or inches, and tell us the story about it?
12-20-98, 07:37 PM
With regards to the Hooch, the DNR Stream Biologist (Lisa Boehm) will tell you to take your limit and don't think twice about it.
It seems that the Hooch has a very low biom****below Buford Dam, and as a result, the stockers will starve if not removed. It's foolish for the state to keep dumping trout into the Hooch if everybody practices C&R.
Ever had Trout Hemmingway?
Give me a break... we're talking trout, not swordfish here.
The Ole Man
12-21-98, 12:10 AM
Hooker: That Brown is 14 pounds 14 oz. I sent the article and picture to Aaron on Sat. He should get it tomorrow. It was in the AJC on Apr. 4, 1988 , written by Charles Salter. Angler was casting black and gold Rapala at gr****patches above Martins Landing. He was using 6 or 8 # mono on a spinner. This fish use to be on the wall at the Fishhawk. The photo was made in front of the store. The article goes on to say that on opening day (few days before this fish) another angler caught one 15 pounds near the 141 bridge. The 14# 14 fish was 32" long and a 19" girth. Also see my thread at Gen. Info, Trophy Trout Flies. In that I meant to say browns and rainbows under the nightcrawler man. I recall he had lost out to his wife that day, she had a 14 pound Rainbow and I think his was 12#. By the way, area just below Morgan Falls use to hot for crawfish patterns -back in 80's.
01-01-99, 12:55 AM
It's PETA alright, fueling the fies of stupidity. If we let them, we'll all be eating" gr****and twigs harvested with mosquito friendly netting." I love a dead fish, esp.with a little butter and lemon-pepper. Right, Spinner.
We need PETA folk. Someone has to eat those veggies and tree bark.
01-01-99, 01:24 PM
Jeff...I actually prefer a good curried trout...But...only junior trout...Actually everyone has an opinion...Mine is not better then theirs..If everyone agreed...WHAT a boring world it would be!!!!New Year...What do I know????KING MEMBER....
01-01-99, 02:20 PM
Loren...The town I work in is know for it liberal ideals..Madison Wisconsin..It is the capital of Wisconsin...I took two of my trout mounts to work once and displayed them in our office...Our office is in the courthouse...Before noon my supervisor called me on the radio and told me to take down the trout because someone had called and they were offended by the gruesome display of dead animals on the wall of a public office..I took them down and laughed as I walked out to my truck to put away the gruesome display..Oh well!!!BEAUTY is in the eye of the beholder!!!Spinner...
01-02-99, 12:49 PM
Spinner. you poor soul. Ever thought of coming south? The last time I was in our state capital, it was full of all kinds of mounts- fro swordfish to eagles and the like. PETA folk refuse to believe a basic principle of truth. We are people- they are fish.We are worth much more than a creek chub or even the most magnificant wild Brookie! Not to start on a sermon but, . . . (there is no spotted owl "heaven")Oh, well. http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/smile.gif http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/smile.gif http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/smile.gif
01-02-99, 08:59 PM
I thought PETA stood for People Eating Tasty Animals....sorry ...couldn't stand it :> http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/wink.gif
01-02-99, 11:55 PM
The Ole Man flexes his fingers and types:
"Seems Furuly stirred a huge controversy with his photo of some dead salmon in the bottom of a boat."
One of the folks that started lambasting Furuly is a gentleman known as George Gherke. He is the maker of "Gink" and "Zink" and various other flyfishing accoutrements and can be seen peddling his wares on rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.
After reading some of his posts on ROFF, I have chosen NOT to purchase his products.
The Ole Man
01-03-99, 08:13 PM
I thought that name was familiar, I just couldn't put my finger on it. My two bottles of his product have just gone in the trash. Glad you recognized him. You know, C&R has it's time and place but a thing can be taken to ridiculous extremes. Nature has a food chain and we humans are riding the top rung for now and unless the world is ready to go with global vegetarianism then something has to die for us to eat. Ted Turner was attacked a few years ago over some of his buffalo projects out west. At a luncheon that day he said " I dont know what all the fuss is about. I like animals. I like them so much, I had one for lunch". hee hee!
Do want to congratulate you on The Virtual Fish Camp. It's just great. I've always wanted to build one of those Tatman boats.Was it terribly difficult?
01-03-99, 09:41 PM
Thanks for stopping by my Virtual Fish Camp. Right now it's just a hobby that keeps my computer skills polished.
Regarding the driftboat construction:
Not difficult at all. Tatman publishes an easy to read construction manual. Most of the parts are pre-cut to exact measurements so as to simplify construction. If your interested in building one, you can get a catalog by calling Tatman Wooden Boats at(541)746-5287 or send me your snail mail and I'll drop one in the mail. The catalog outlines the construction process and has a list of tools you'll need. There are a number of other places you can get plans and/or kits but they are not competitive with Tatman. IMHO. I usually keep a spare catalog in my truck so if you see me at the next Fly Fling or at the boat ramp, just ask me for one.
Speaking of Fly Fling, is there a Fling scheduled in the near future. Maybe up at Unicoi? Don't they have a meeting room at Unicoi S.P. or maybe Vogel S.P.. What does everyone think of a get together in Feb or March at someplace like Manuel's Tavern? Let's hear some suggestions. I need a cure for cabin fever.
I generally practice C&R, but not for any *philosophic* reason. I dislike cleaning fish (I love to eat them). Of course, I am very cautious to maximize the chance that the fish will survive, to be caught again). The only *philosophic* view that I have that applies is that I strongly dislike waste. If these stockers are eaten, great. If not, I wish a curse on their house for generations.
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