B*** on Trout flies?

[floater]

Has any body caught b****on trout flies? Or know some stuff on catching b****on dries, nymphs, and streamers? Cause I got a small lake behind my house, and...

......................floater

[Drifter]

floater,

As you're probably aware, flys (insects) are not the preferred food of the Largemouth Bass, even though they will inhale a cricket or grasshopper from time to time. Bass, being predators, prefer something with a little more meat such as minnows, frogs, tadpoles, etc.

Try using minnow imitations. I've recently been singing the praises of the Clouser Deep Minnow. Thanks to Kent Edmonds and Jack Edwards, I'm now tying my own Clousers. I've caught b****and crappie on the Clouser. I'm sure Kent or Jack can enlighten you further. Bottom line - if you want to catch bass, use Clousers, Dahlberg Divers, frog poppers, etc.

For a photo and recipe of a Clouser, go to the NGTO Fly Swap page at:

http://webpages.charter.net/skeeble/index.htm/Kent.htm

Good luck,

Drifter

[Kent]

floater -
Drifter's right, but b****will often take trout flies too. Here's one with a #18 nymph in his lip - http://www.mindspring.net/~kje/tiny_fly.jpg

The down side is if you're fishing b****water with small stuff is, more often than not, you'll wind up with a bream, not a b****(that's not really a negative though!).

Seems incredible for a big fish to eat such a small fly, but consider how we sometimes belly-up to the appetizer bar to ignore the stuffed celery and cucumber sandwiches and pick out the cashew nuts!

Kent

[HNeal]

I was fishing for bream up at Lanier a few years ago and a 2 1/2 lb b****took my #16 Hare's Ear nymph. That was a lot of fun!

[Drifter]

Kent,

I've heard you refer to a particular lure/fly as a slider. What is this? If it is thrown with a flyrod, how do you fish them, and tie them???

Thanks.

Drifter

[KB]

Try tying a weighted nymph with brown(natural) rabbit fur, with a mallard flank beard and drop it behind a frog popper. I don't know why but the smallmouth love it.

KB

[The Ole Man]

Talked to an old fellow today that grew up in Wisconsin. He told me about his uncle teaching him to fly fish about 50 years ago. All they fished was b****ponds. He said they used a Silver Doctor. Thats a salmon fly. Said they threw them as close as possible to the bank and stripped them back to the boat. Frequently read about b****being crazy for large streamers. I've caught some on oversize woolly buggers. You have to tie them large to keep the bream off of them. Size 2 hooks and up.

[KB]

I think I have mentioned to Loren before that a Royal Squirrell is a great all purpose fly:

Hook: size 12 and up
Tail: Three pea*****hearl nubs
Body: wrap pea*****herl(ph)1/4 up the body,
then wrap the second 1/4 with red floss,
wrap the third 1/4 with ph again,
finish the last 1/4 with stacked squirrell tail tied caddis wing style.
Use Black thread.
I've landed many 'o' large one at Smithgall and at Unicoi. I'd be willing to bet its a real winner at the new DH streams Bill Couch mentioned too (Owl, don't wait for the new regs, hint,hint).

KB

[Kent]

Drifter -
Slider is "backwards popper" - head is narrow at hook eye and fatter towards the bend. It floats but dive a bit on retrieve, then floats back up. Doesn't make quite as much commotion as popper and often more effective, especially on calmer waters. Like Dahlberg Diver, Sneaky Pete, unweighted deer hair Muddler, etc. Can be tied with deerhair or with foam popper heads turned backward.

One of my favorites is "Tarantula", a Jackson Hole, One-Fly winner several years ago. It's a deer hair mouse looking thing with rubber legs.

Try em, you'll like em.

Kent

[Drifter]

Thanks Kent / KB,

I'm now looking for a pattern book for warmwater flies. I tied a few "eels" with black rabbit fur strips, lead eyes, and chenille. I want to tie some frog poppers. Can you buy the poppers already painted but not attached to the hook?

The Ole Man has already set me straight with salt patterns.

Thanks in advance,

Drifter

[Loren]

Fished a set of private lakes this weekend and took a couple of bazz on a large wooly bugger (with eyes - just for fun). They ignored my clouser minnows. Go figger.

Loren

[Kent]

Drifter -
Re popper bodies, I think Spirit River now has some painted foam bodies out there. I'm thinking Carter showed me some at Fish Hawk recently. Not sure if paint jobs are for fish or fisherman - paint does add considerable weight, however. Usually I just color mine a bit with waterproof Magic Marker. I do like looks of spray paint thru screen wire, however, and use it occassionally.

Poppers getting a little easier to find these days, but big ones (for 2-2/0 hooks) I find only from FeatherCrafters. If you don't have their catalog I can give you their number.

Re frogs, Carter ties a very interesting frog pattern - the Chili Ribbet - with kicking legs.

Loren -
Tho' I luv the Clouser, must admit to fishing wooly at least as much at Callaway and on other small ponds. I like it on a 2-3xl #4-6 with that medium pea*****sparkly chenille and green/black maribou tail w/a few strands of sparkle. Like the Ole Man says, I get a few big bream but that's fine by me. I sometimes get `em on my 2/0 popper, too - they can't get it in their mouth but the crazy little @#%&!s impale themselves on the hook when they hit it so hard. I do love that fish!

Kent
Flyfishing West Georgia & Beyond
kje.home.mindspring.com (http://kje.home.mindspring.com)

[Loren]

Professor Kent,

Got that bugger recipie. Thanks. What do you palmer that sucker wit?

Loren

[Kent]

Loren-
Please, no professor stuff for me - many are much more expert. My only claim is that I spend a lot of time on the water. Hooker & I were talking about this the other day - while it's true we do catch a lot of fish, we also spend a heck of a lotta time fishing (& there're days we don't catch many!).

Anyhow, hackle is slightly webby olive or grizzly.

Kent

[4xTippet]

Floater,

Try grasshopper imitations like Pete's,Bullet head,and MadamX's.(durring hopper season)

[floater]

I tried fly fishing with a few grasshopper paterns like 4x suggested, and I tried them on the small lake behind my house. The problem was that all 4 of the fish that took my fly didn't get hooked or didn't stay hooked for long. Why is this happening?

wanting to land a b****on a flyrod,
...........floater http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/wink.gif

[The Ole Man]

floater
You need a hopper tied on a wide gap, stinger b****hook. Most hoppers-every one I've seen are tied on a trout hook or a panfish hook. It's possible to land b****on those small gap hooks -but more likely to pull out, or not give you a good hook-up.

[Owl]

try a barb.........JK http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/smile.gif
You cold bend the hook out a lttle, but it may break off if you get a big one on !

[floater]

YEA, I landed my first flyrod bream to day on a hopper.
Who/where can I find the wide gap hoppers?

[HNeal]

National Feathercraft has popper kits, popper bodies and a matching hook, #6 thru #1/0. Salt and fresh water. They also have just the plain foam bodies. A fantastic selection of tying supplies and more.

As far as wide gap hoppers, I think you are going to have to tie them yourself (or get a friend to tie them)

[floater]

Maybe I can get somebody to tie them at the fling http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/wink.gif

see yee,
...............floater

[floater]

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Geuss what dudes!!! Today I scored a fat bonus buster bass(10") while fishing for bream on a greased muddler. The bream were all smacking it hard, but the b****was just real subtle with it, he just kinda took it, anyway, I set the hook and yeeeeeeee haw b****on!!! He even jumped, and I also had a bream jump, that's kind of unusual, huh. Ooohhh yea, I had 2 monster bream, the size of my hand. I geuss some of them are still on the bed. Heck, they can keep snoring http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/wink.gif if I can keep catching, and that's OK with me you know.

more fish, tighter lines, better days,
..........floater

[Drifter]

floatster,

Don't forget the Rubber Legged Dragon.

Drifter

[floater]

Drift, what is a rubber legged dragon? Is that like a dragon fly with rubber legs?

[floater]

NEVERMIND, I just now found this:

http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ngto/index.html

[floater]

eeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, what???????
I mean this one:


http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/Forum4/HTML/000134.html

[floater]

http://kje.home.mindspring.com/rl_dragon.html

[Loren]

Floateroonie,

I'm hooked on that Rubber Legged Dragon. As you read, I caught a large catfish and some bream on one yesterday, but this afternoon I fished Flint River for the first time. I was only in the water for a short while, but the RLD was popular. Biggest b****was only 12 - 14", but it was a lot of fun. The dragonflies were buzzin around on the stream and I mostly caught little b****(shoal? red-eye? Don't know.).

[floater]

Sounds fun!!! You must of been holdin your mouth right http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/smile.gif http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/smile.gif. I read your other post.

>>>Loren posted 05-30-99 07:28 AM ET
I tied a few of the RLD's in black and some in olive. While fishing my favorite bream stream yesterday with an olive RLD, I hooked a catfish. It was all my 3wt rod and old arms could handle. Took forever to beach him. I'm not a catfish fan, but that was fun.<<<

[ICHTHUS]

Loren,
Since you don't have a handle, maybe "catfish"????? http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/smile.gif

[Loren]

Ich

I don't know. Catfish sounds a little too glamorous. But I'll think on a handle.

[davida]

I've caught some very nice b****on a size 12 damselfly nymph fished as a dropper behind a popper. This usually occurs in May, in North Florida, when the damselflies are starting to hatch. Best way to know when the hatch is occuring is to check the pads for discarded shucks.

I've always thought that poppers make a good adult damselfly imitation, so the popper/damsel nymph combo is a good approximation of the damsel hatch, just before and after eclosion. This works even though damsel nymphs usually head towards the vegetation to shed into the adult.

Regards, DA

[floater]

Loren, get a hold of yourself!!!! http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/wink.gif http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/smile.gif

[floater]

I was bluegill fishing the other day I wasn't catching much on dries so I switched to an unweighted grhe and immiediatly caught a few, it was neat, I moved spots and then I caught two monster bream. The first one was the biggest I've ever caught, he had this dent in his forhead the size of nickel, the fish was about 1 1/2"inch thick, it must have weighed about a pound and a half, and it was about 7"inches long, and 5"inches tall, I'm geussing it was the male spawner. Today I caught another bigun, a little smaller though. Man, they love those little flies. That was fun with the little grhe. I didn't use an indicator, as it is calmer on still water not to, I'm honing my senses for trout.

BTW: they all went back home

Do you have any idea why that first bluegill had that dent in his forhead, has anybody seen one with a dent like that, does that mean anything???

TIA

hoping the bluegills will continue spawning, protecting the nests, or what ever it is keeping them there