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Has anyone seen Fahrenheit 9/11 yet? I saw some excerpts yesterday and they were hilarious. "My Pet Goat" is a classic.
I love how they've marketed F-911 as "not yet rated". Truth is, they were given an R rating several weeks ago. Yet I saw this movie advertised on TV as "not yet rated" as late as Sunday - two days after it opened.
Nice to know Mr. Moore is there to keep us all informed about the "truth".
Follower of Christ
Pursuer of trout
I hope to see it tonight. Looks like it is wildly popular.
After what Cheney scoffed at Leahey, I can't wait to here what words he holds for Michael Moore! http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/wink.gif
06-29-04, 12:17 PM
Is anyone here actully going to pay to see Un-Fair and Hyped 911? I have seen enough slanted media lately to last me a lifetime. I certainly don't need to see any more half truths, plain out lies and biased editing of video clips. Especially when I would have to pay 10 bucks.
I sure hope Heaven has a trout stream.
Yes, for two reasons:
1.) It's funny, hilarious in fact.
2.) It has the half of the truth that we aren't seeing in the news or election hype.
With deference to AA; Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
06-29-04, 02:06 PM
"Un-Fair and Hyped"
"enough slanted media lately to last me a lifetime."
"half truths, plain out lies and biased editing of video clips."
So with this review of the movie can we assume you've already seen it or were you told this by Lush Windbag and Billy O'Really?
Point being, you should see/read/experience things for yourself and make up your own mind rather than accepting the word of anybody who makes a living digesting your information for you.
believe but verify-everyone
we report you decide-Fox
high priest of the painful truth-Boortz
talent on loan from god-Rush
we should kill them all or convert them to christianity-Ann
you should be careful with what you say-Ari
some people have to much freedom of speech-Bush
He should be silenced - Arlen SPector on Ted Rall
Someone should kick his ***- Bush on Gary Trudeau
Sounds like a grand ole party that opens up for everyone to join in their tent celebration
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06-29-04, 03:23 PM
In reply to your comments JOHNKIES, no I have not seen the movie but I have seen clips and the commercials. I do not listen to Rush or watch Billy. I have seen Moore's other movies and have been disgusted at the way he presents his "documentarys", if you can even call them that. The people of Flint have a distaste for him after he made his "documentary" of their town, and there are just plain facts you can research for yourself that he convienantly leaves out. I will not see it beacuse of one of the biggest lies he has told. He calls it a documentary of 911 when in reality it is his biased OPINION of what was happening. He is well noted for spewing his take on things that he has no facts on in the first place. Lets call this movie what it is. The things Moore sees wrong with the world. If it was a true documentary, he would have FACTS and not need to short cut clips to spin them in order to make them fit his point. He did it in Roger and Me, Bowling for Col. and the Flint Movie. Hey, everyone has an opinion, Moore just seems to need to contort the facts to make it easier to present his OPINION as fact. It is realy easy to take what you want from a speech to spin it how you want it. It is real easy to take something completely out of context and spin that as well.
You can ignore the facts if you want and you can assume what ever you want about me. These are my opinions that I have formed after reading/watching and listenting to all sides. Just because I differ from you, don't assume I am just regergitating what I have been told. You don't have to step in **** to know it is ****. I would rather be enteratined by an entertainer for my money, not lied too and confused by someone who seeks to cause more division among us.
Sorry if that seems a little pointed, just my opinion.
I sure hope Heaven has a trout stream
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I went to see it Friday night and for the most part I agree with Kevin Drum of Washington Monthly’s take...
“What to say? The argument over the film mostly seems to revolve around whether it's factually accurate and presents a logical case, a conversation so pointless as to be laughable. I mean, it's a polemical film from Michael Moore, not a Brookings Institution white paper. It's like complaining that editorial cartoons are unfair because they don't portray the nuance of serious policy discussions.
Now, as it happens, I thought Fahrenheit 9/11 was a bit mediocre even as polemic, but the thing that really struck me about the film was the almost poetic parallellism between its own slanders and cheap shots and the slanders and cheap shots of pro-war supporters themselves over the past couple of years. If Moore had done this deliberately, it would have been worthy of Henry James.”...
IMO the whole “House of Bush / House of Saud” thing was a study in cheesy innuedo worthy of the Best of Hannity. For the most part, I didn’t hear anything I haven’t already read and seen (and paid off better too) from a hundred other sources.
I did find the part about the Shrub blinking in the headlights during the whole “7 minutes” thing was extremely revealing about the “leadership” skills of the guy who is supposed to be the Commander in Chief. I also thought that it was remarkably sympathetic to the soldiers -- regardless of your political leanings, its impossible not to identify with their frustration.
But by far the best part of this whole spectacle has been watching the "liberal media" produce segment after segment, writing article after article questioning Moore's veracity. (In the case of Michael Isikoff Newsweek piece, he even went to the extreme of making up false crap to call Moore out on.) Do you think Fox or the Washington Post will ever waste any time delineating the lies and distortions in Sean Hannity or Ann Coulter's books? To me they are less-entertaining opposite sides of the same coin.
IMO, the major difference between Michael Moore and Ann Coulter is that Moore has bigger *****.
Back to **** Cheney... (or as folks whove been paying attention to his colorful use of the vernacular like to refer to him).. “Big-time” D... are you cool with him dropping the “f-bomb” on the Senate floor? Do you already use the v-chip to block your kids out of CSPAN? Will you still be cool with it when Barney Frank tells Rick Santorum to “drop and give me twenty”.
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Does anyone really care what Michael Moore thinks? I would not part with a single penny if I thought it would benefit him or anyone else who has such a sorry opinion of Americans and the United States. And, yes, I do listen to persons with a liberal point of view, but not to someone who has such a low opinion of us.
06-29-04, 06:46 PM
SlckTrck: I actually listen to old Rushy every day at noon when I escape the office for a bit. Best comedy on radio! You should listen to him some time. I am going to see F 9/11 in the next few days; should be interesting, hope the popcorn is good. Could be the best part of the whole event! By the way, your $10 ticket, did include the popcorn? If it was $10 I think I would just pass on it altogether.
off of FoxNews.com
The Truth About 'Fahrenheit 9/11'
Tuesday, June 29, 2004
Michael Moore's (search) "Fahrenheit 9/11" broke records this weekend, becoming the first documentary to debut as Hollywood's top weekend film — but there are holes in the controversial film's story.
For instance, in one often-showed clip, Moore claims that President Bush was on vacation 42 percent of the time during his first several months in office — but that estimation included weekends at Camp David, a common practice for presidents. Without those days figured in, Bush actually spent 13 percent of his time on vacation.
The movie also criticizes Bush for staying inside a Florida classroom full of kids for a full seven minutes after he learned that the country was under attack on Sept. 11, 2001.
However, the vice chairman of the Sept. 11 commission has said that Bush did the right thing. "Bush made the right decision in remaining calm, in not rushing out of the classroom," said Lee Hamilton, a former Democratic congressman from Indiana.
In "Fahrenheit 9/11" (search) Moore also claims that the White House approved plans for planes to pick up relatives of Usama Bin Laden right after the attacks. But according to terrorism czar Richard Clarke (search), he alone approved the Saudi flights.
In addition, Moore says that the departing Saudis were not properly processed by the FBI when leaving the country. That too is contradicted by the Sept. 11 commission, which said the Saudis were properly interviewed.
Finally, Moore shows prominent members of the Taliban visiting Texas, implying that they were invited by then-Governor Bush. The Taliban delegation, however, was invited to Houston by UNOCAL (search), a California energy company.
Moore also doesn't mention that the visit was made with the permission of the Clinton administration, which twice met with Taliban members — in 1997 and 1998.
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06-29-04, 08:10 PM
It wasn't just Fox News ripping F/11. It was NBC's (hardly a bastion of the far right media empire!)own Tim Russert and Lisa Myers.
She ripped it a new onw- calling it's classification as a documentary a farce, and itemizing the most glaring "liberties with the truth" taken by Michael "Goebels" Moore. Some are things out of context, others are 1/2 truths. Some were outright lies. I tend to believe Myers- she shoots pretty straight (for a leftist) http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/wink.gif. Coming from that source, I'll decline the entertainment factor. I don't deny Bush has his shortcomings- but F/11 is way over the line as anything but propaganda from what I've heard. Have I seen it? No. But then again, I don't have to see kiddie porn to know that it's a bad thing, too.
As someone who HAS seen it, I can tell you that there is nothing that is anymore dangerously seditious than stuff you've already heard. What cracks me up about this is how red in the face people are getting rushing to the front to be the first to condemn it.
Alot of the criticism is valid IMO, alot is not... for example... the whole thing about Taliban officials being guests of UNOCAL was made transparent in the movie. But Moore goes on to talk about how Hamid Karzai (our boy in Afghanistan) was an employee of UNOCAL which later became the company to get the contract for the trans-Afghani pipeline. We're supposed to connect dots. Its true, Moore does infer that anything having to deal with oil sooner or later goes back to the Bushes -- and this gets old (still the nature of BushCo financial dealings with the Saudi Royals and the Bin Ladens are a matter of record.) Whether or not this skews their loyalties is open to debate. Moore tries to make the case that it does but is that anymore outrageous than Bob Novak continuing (coincidentally just last week on Russert) to infer that Clinton had Vince Foster killed? "
If you want to see an example of a truly criminal treasonous partisan I suggest you couldn't do better than Bob Novak's (I am only acting on behalf of the public's right to know) abetting the outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame.
While I think Moore is an idiot, I don't think he (as Tom says) has a low opinion of America or Americans -- just the people in charge of it right now and the culture that they promulgate. That much I agree with.
My wife and I drove to Asheville last night after work, paid $2 to park, stood in line for 30 minutes, and just as we got the the front of the line, it sold out. Bummer. But we had nice meal and did some shopping instead, so it turned out OK.
A theater employee told us that every show except one or two had sold out since it began showing on Friday. That's five shows a day, six on the weekend. Read in the paper that there are several more prints of the film being made for distribution, so hopefully it will make it to our local screen soon.
Personally, my movie money for this month will go toward Spiderman 2. I hear it's much more realistic than F9-11. And Kirsten Dunst is a lot sexier than anybody in Moore's movie. Assuming Hillary's not in it, that is.
Ahhhhh, Hillary. Va-va-VOOM!!!!
Okay I made even myself sick with that one. I'm going to go vomit now.
Follower of Christ
Pursuer of trout
06-30-04, 06:59 PM
Grady - - it will be showing at the Skyland Theater in Hendersonville later this week. That's the one on the corner of about 7th and Main. The theater with the tables and the beer concession! Just don't tell any of that Asheville riff-raff about it!
And Speck: Look at your post, look at your signature line and then ask yourself, WWJD? ---JCK---
Johnkies -- I don't get it...
....what would Jenna drink?
JK - He'd vomit too.
Seriously, I would hope it was obvious that the entire post was tongue-in-cheek. Gee whiz. I'm starting to recall why I stayed away so long.
Follower of Christ
Pursuer of trout
Eric Alterman on what might have happened if the media had been as critical of Bush's justifications for the war as it has been of Moore's claims in his movie:
"Indeed, if the president's speeches to the nation about his decision to go to war had received a significant fraction of the journalistic attention that Moore's film has, it's a good bet 5,600 American soldiers would sill be enjoying their release from the military—rather than being called back to duty to carry out an increasingly chaotic and counterproductive occupation. Not only did the administration get away with inflating the level of military threat Iraq presented both to the world and to the United States, it also concocted evidence tying it to global terrorism, while simultaneously minimizing both the cost and the difficulty of the ensuing military occupation. In the end, almost every piece of evidence the administration put forth in support of its war could be called into question, both before the war, and after."
Particularly telling is the media's fawning over Powell's speech at the UN. Almost nothing he alleged has proven true. It's not too difficult, I believe, to figure out why the so-called liberal media is trashing Moore's movie.
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