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Well I figured since no one erased my disscusion, I thought I would start another one, (just to stir things up a bit)...and besides wasnt it GUTHOOKED that said he was getting bored?
So this is a Political test topic...
Does anyone listen to Neil Bortz? He says he voted the other way the last few times, but this time he is voting for Bush based on the fact that he feels we are safer from terrorist....what do you guys feel, out of curiousity?
My feeling is that Bush wanted the death penalty for everyone who deserved it in Texas, so I think that on the homefront we are safer, but with Kerry in office we would be even safer, terrorist tend to leave you alone when youll pay them off....
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I like your style, Scali. http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/smile.gif
Thank You! Most people dont like my dry sense of humor....
Good Ole Boortz.. where to begin...
I listen to Neil in the mornings ( mostly I like 750's traffic rpts) and I fine him entertaining, and my only gripe is that the listeners sometime seem to ignore his statements of him saying things but its up to the listener to determine if he is basically telling the truth or spinning the topic. Heck he comes out and says he is an entertainer and never has stated that he is always factual and always right.
I like the libertarian point of view, but his wining about the online petition to keep him out of the convention ( which didnt work) was just silly by both sides.
To the qustion at hand ( sorry scali , ranting as usual).
I dont think Bush has made us safer. I dont know if anyone can make us safter unless we trully address the illegal immigrants coming across our borders. THink of how many people are crossing and they aint all mexicans either... and niether party will come out and trully address that issue
Cuz illegals crossing into our country can bring bio weapons, or they can simply bankrupt our country by extra healtcare costs, educations costs, and then there is talk of giving illegals a drivers lisc?
But until we have a serious discussion about actually guarding and securing our own borders then no i dont think we are safer than we were.
I wont get into the statistic of only 10% of all ship cargo is checked either..
again, this blame can be placed on both parties, but alas it is the gop in control of the white house, and congress... so makes the finger pointing easier. hahah
Oh i totally agree!!! As for the immigrants...my husband being a cop it is an issue that is addressed daily, they have way more rights then we do...
But as for my disscussion in the first place I dont think anywhere is safe...my personal opinion, wheather it is terrorist home and away, criminals, or just driving in Atlanta traffic (that could get anyone fired up), I do however think that since we allowed it to get as bad as it has gotten here and there, it is very difficult to stop something when it has grown out of control in the first place, if we recognize it when it starts and admit it might actually be happening instead of closing our eyes and wishing it away, we might have some sort of control over certain issues, this is something that will take many generations to fix, if that can actually be possible...
scali, true on your points.. but pulling the cloth over our eyes until the problem gets too bad to fix can be applied to wetlands, clean waterways, air pollution all the way to nuke proliferation and lobbiest having way too much control over our legislative branch.
But if our so called leaders do not stop eating at the trough of special interests ( thats every party) then wool on our eyes that is actually made out of money will continue to insure that mos topics dont become hot topics until its to the breaking point.
Politicans have to stay in office to maintain power, power breeds corruption, corruption from within if not removed leads to collapse
I agree with you on that also....but the problem is that if people admit there is a problem then they have to find a way to fix it...(anything)...and the majority of people including civilians and government, do not want to be the ones to fix it, most would rather pretend there is no problem, hence it would make it easier on them in life (its easier to either blame or say let someone else deal with it)....at least that is what i think the worlds problem is, no one wants to either have the responsiblity or admit that they are responsible for their own actions....
TheEndlessEnigma
10-06-04, 03:46 PM
the only problem that we have on all of this is ..... you can say what you want..... is that noone is afraid of us anymore.
fear of us kept us safe ..... now due to numerous nimrod decisions made by a bevy of idiotic presidents .... the fear is gone
Hey that is a really good point...
odd I dont have any dissagreeing with me today..... http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/wink.gif
lone wolf
10-06-04, 04:07 PM
People who fly airplanes into buildings and strap explosives to themselves in the name of religion will never fear anybody at anytime for any reason. When you no longer cherish life, why would you fear anything that the US or the rest of the world would do in reprisals? If possible, we need to somehow get at the heart of why these folks hate us so much. (and it ain't because they are jealous of us)
There was a movie that I saw once that illustrates this point (maybe a Clint Eastwood movie). He was surrounded by a bunch of bad guys, but he had a gun pointed at the leader of the gang of bad guys. The leader says, "you can't kill us all". Eastwood replies, "yea, but after I blow your head off, what difference does it make to you what happens next....."
wolf
Unfortunatly it is human nature to hate...hate is drawn by fear...fear of God, fear of life, fear of themselves...the unknown is what people are afraid of, not dying, but losing what they know....the more wisdom a person has the less they fear, terrorist have eachother but they want power and its the power they are afraid to lose, they feel everyone should believe what they do, and if we dont then we should die...They are afraid of what knowledge we may have, we may be able to convince people to swing away from their beliefs, (not that we would)...
Hey guys thanks its been really fun but I dont think I can respond for a few days at least, I am going away....Thanks
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Scali,
Take another look. If you read the responses again, folks are disagreeing with you, they just aren't being antagonized into name calling.
Please take a careful look at the "NGTO Message Board Rules of Conduct".
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Try and stay away from calling candidates names such as clowns, fools and such. No matter what your personal beliefs, they also deserve a measure of respect here on NGTO.
Political threads work if the discussions are kept civil. Be wary of trolling or baiting folks just to get a response. Remember, NGTO is a trout board and I am personally wary of political animosity overflowing to other areas of the trout message board.
I deleted your thread and four others over the last couple of weeks to try and get folks thinking about that. However, folks get so heated about these political threads that my actions may have been over the top and I apologize for that.
If anybody wants to discuss these matters more, please follow the guide lines in the rules of conduct and drop me an email.
Bill, I figured we'd been EGg'ed but wasn't going to point a finger :)
Regarding our ‘Most Esteemed, Righteous, Virginal, Keepers Of The One True Path(s), Defenders Of Freedom, Selfless Do'ers Of Good Deeds At All Times And To All Persons, Sages and Wiseman Beyond Reproach, Deliverer of Mayhem and Destruction to Moose and Squirrel, Most Magnificent Fearless Leaders and/or Wanna-Be’s’ how about 'harlequin'?
Bill
Check your email.
Thank you
shannon
and once again I would like to apologize if I offended anyone what so ever....But at the same time...emails are a much better way of humiliation then publicly humiliating someone...I do check my email many times a day....And it was brought to my attention that I say some of the same things OWL does...I will try not to do that... http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/smile.gif http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/wink.gif
streamKAT
10-08-04, 03:12 PM
EE ,
Yes that is exactly correct. IMHO we need to re-create the fear.
If these terroists, suicidal or not KNEW that we were going to turn their homeland into glass (basically a nuke) they very likely might think twice. Remember WWII ? The Japanese were suicidal (Kamikazes). We (the USA) were able to put an end to that will.
Perhaps the folks that were going to remain in that homeland would kill them for us....
Something to consider...
Peace through fire superiority.
streamKAT
10-08-04, 03:15 PM
We lost that fear by a perceived lack of political will.
This is the fundamental problem with an 'exit strategy' ; an exit strategy merely tells the terrorists how long they have to hold out to get their way. This is what Kerry/ Edwards wants to do. Pretty naive.
in the 80s we feared nuclear war, now we fear terrorist, there was a time that countries feared us, that is why we are hated so much by some certain countries...it is time to take back what we once had, if we allow certain people in office then we will be right back at the beginning again....
(did I say that without actually saying anything...)
StreamKat
Japanese Kamakazi pilots were part of a highly regulated military structure that was within a highly regulated society. Few Americans can even begin to fathom the society and cultual differences which even complicate routine business communication. There is absolutlely no viable comparison to a loosly organised (if any organisation exists at all) group of religious fanatics.
A better comparison would be to use succesful resolutions of terrorist situations. The occupied Terretories would not be one and Sadam was not one of, nor connected to, the religious fanatics. He was a regional threat to his neighbors. Iraq is somewhat more global these days and that is in large part because of US actions.
I suppose that since Bush's stated reasons for going into Iraq were recently proven to be false, but they do apply to Iran and North Korea, that we should prepare for two more invasions, particularly since he re-affirmed his original 'reasoning' while providing his revisionist rational for Iraq.
The following is often a useful measure:
The difference between ignorance and wisdom is in knowing that you don't know.
The difference between ignorance and stupidity is in the repitition of a mistake.
Even LBJ figured it out after a while.
streamKAT
10-12-04, 11:39 AM
Bob ....
I don't consider alQ & CO a loosely organized bunch.
Consider that the jihadists are also part of a highly regulated insurgency structure....
There are many similarities ; devotion to emperor equates to devtion to allah or UBL.
Nice try Bob ! ;)
We beat the Kamikazes by military and political will, we can do the same to the jihadisits..... IF we have the political will (read elect Bush/Cheney)
JFK initially got us invoved in Vietnam , LBJ did it overtly.
I absolutely agree that JFK got us into Viet Nam, and by the way, he welched at the Bay of Pigs and ended the Monroe Doctrine with the Cuban Missile Crises. LBJ only waded in up to his neck and lived to regret it.
Religion comes in more flavors than patriotism. A belief in a common God does not equate to a strong or cohesive organization. Moslems, Christians, and Jews all worship the same God. It’s amazing how many people don't realize that and still manage to try to kill each other with a 'pure' heart and a 'clean' conscience. There were some schisms along the way with Isaac/Ishmael, Jesus of Nazareth, Martin Luther, and many many others. Northern Ireland is a blatant example of 'strong organization among of believers of the same God'. It ain't pretty and it looks like a Charlie-Foxtrot to me.
Sad to say it, but this lesson is going to painfully unfold over the years ahead.
Since the beginning of time religion has ended up being the main reason for deaths, even if we worship the same God, which I believe we do, there are those that feel we should not worship their God, and that their God is only for them, or that we must worship God in their way, so there have been countless and basically usless wars...we will have more useless wars because of religion, now dont get me wrong I beleive we need to protect those who can not protect themselves....
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Two points.
There have been thousands of different gods worshiped since the beginning of time, although it is true, that we may not have been able to recognize Yahweh twenty thousand years ago.
Darwinists might argue that there is some good in every war.
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Darwin? I dont think so and even if God has a million names, he is still the same...but war is a must and I wont go into why...this is a political disscussion, and Darwin? he was proven wrong like years ago...and twenty thousand years ago people werent even here....
Shannon
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fishmonger
10-12-04, 02:30 PM
There is something called TRUTH about god, whether he/she even exists, and if so, what the form is, etc. This is not debateable, as there is some truth, even if people don't know what it is, about everything. For example, the universe started SOMEHOW, even if we don't know how. I believe (we all have beliefs, don't we) that NO man is privy to the TRUTH about god, because it is not provable, and therefore not knowable (the engineer/scientist in me). Thus, the nature of faith and religion. Therefore, I believe that it is not appropriate for a person to claim to have the answer to the nature of god, his desires, or expectations of us, as recently-arrived sentient animals on a small mote of stardust in an infinate universe. This leads me to a conclusion: That religion can be a destructive force. It also leads me to believe that we should do what is right in a situation, be it love thy neighbor, help the less fortunate, whatever, for the reason that it is just right, not because of any directions from god. In my mind, religion does more harm, at times, to the human race than the good that it undoubtdly provides (a true irony if there ever was one). The present spate of radical Islamic fundamentalism certainly bolsters my opinion (in my mind).
FM
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Ok I said I wouldnt go into why but my whole point is that people in other countries start stuff based on religion...didnt say i know anything...I am not claiming to know anything, just what I have seen from every war we have ever had other then vietnam which was not a war but should have been, more wars are based on religion and nothing more...
And I wont go into my own religion...its a fishing board///nor my belief...dont need everyone thinking I am completely nuts..I am alittle nuts but not completely
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Folks.. just a warning shot over the bow of the ship here ( and call me a hypocrit if you wish).. but lets not get into the religion discussion. Religion discussions can get uglier, nastier, meaner than any political discussion .. and religion discussions can offend many and quickly at that.
Nothin is more personal than someones core beliefs and religion.
So lets nip this one in the bud if you all dont mind.
And for all you folks that are now offically mad, upset or dislike me more than before because I am damping a discussion on religion I apologize. Politics is one thing, religion is another...and political beliefs can be based on religious beliefs, but once somone goes after someone do to religion not only can feelings be hurt but old and new friendships can be damamged.
So in other words, if you all wanna get into in depth religious discussions, please do it off the bulletin board.
Thanks,
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Thank you thats what I have been hinting towards...and I am not mad at anyone so I hope no one is mad at me....
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fishmonger
10-12-04, 03:06 PM
Not mad in the least.
I do find it interesting that no one spoke up when I posted a thought about "religion not being appropriate on the board" in the past (in the Passion of the Christ movie thread).
Like it or not, religion is part of the terrorism problem in the world. I was speaking about religion in general, and also did not mean to offend. My apologies if I failed.
Another opinion: Discussions tend to be very boring if a requrement is to never offend anybody.
FM
me either...not mad at all...but dont want to offend anyone...there may be others reading that may find the subject disturbing...that is why i was trying to avoid it even if i was answering back...so i apologize too...
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FM, Scali et al .. I just wanted to make sure we didnt offend anyone, that is why I said what i said.
FM, i agree on your point(s).. and with any discussion someone will be offended...
just trying to minimize any damage, know what I mean??
Anyways, thanks everyone.
fishmonger
10-12-04, 03:36 PM
I do.
Back to fishing: I caught not one, but two, ~17" Brookies this past Saturday! Anybody want to hear more? http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/wink.gif
FM
I’m guilty here. I was trying to build some awareness. JeffG you are absolutely correct that discussions involving religion can turn nasty. I was trying to walk a fine line between discussing the concepts and not offending. Unfortunately, religion is driving a lot of the political decisions these days and it doesn’t seem quite Kosher to ignore that.
I don’t think that religion causes the mayhem and destruction. Human intolerance kills people. We Second Amendment advocates recognize this in the form of ‘Guns don’t kill. People do.” Where I’m guilty is in trying to bring some of the intolerance out so we can see it for what it is. This subject area it is very sensitive and very difficult to see it for what it is.
By the way, logic is wholly inadequate around the concept of God. It just isn’t up to the task. There are two primary logical methods, inductive and deductive.
Inductive - (aka the scientific method) uses a small set of data points and generalizes from there. There is an inherent margin for error. e.g. if you perform an experiment 10,000 times with the same result, then the 10,001st will probably turn out the same way. It might not, so you can’t know for certain using the inductive method.
Deductive – you know everything about the conclusion you are trying to prove and you are structuring the facts you have to prove it. No one can know more than God. No one.
We are each going to have to find God for ourselves through faith. There is no other way. It would be nice if we would realize that someone may have found something a little different and we would try to avoid forcing our beliefs on them and/or killing them. That would be where the human behavior part kicks in.
fishmonger
10-12-04, 03:50 PM
Bob,
Simultaneous typing going on...see my edit above.
FM
You mean this time its not my fault? odd...
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FM.. actually had a great day on the Hootch. Missed way more than I landed, but the fish were simply beautiful. Some of the bows my buddy caught we just fantastic. Ones where you see the red glowing in the water 25 ft away.. simply fantastic.
The browns are in their spawning colors, and caught a few little ones that were about the same size of the size 2 Bugger i was throwing ( hey big fly big fish, sore wrist from casting day)
Cant wait to get back out, but might need to chase the hootch bones while I wait for my fav trout rod to get back from Sage repair shop..
FM
Brookies that size? Where were you? Newfoundland?
I thought for a moment that you were going to gain one more on me in the 'race for the most posts'. :)
Shannon
When we guys are at home and anything goes wrong, it is always all our fault. Arguably, there should be one small corner in the world where if anything goes wrong it it sholuld always be all of the gal's fault.
Bob
Not to rain on the parade but I think men still just havent learned, women are always right even when we are wrong and its always mans fault even if its not...
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That's why we invented Kevlar.
Uh HUH! ok what ever you say Bob...I totally understand...so how about them fish? and I am sure that Kevlar was invented by a man with a women being the one that made him do it in the first place...and my apologies to Dupont if I am wrong...
http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/wink.gif and i am just giving all of you men a hard time...
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lone wolf
10-12-04, 04:43 PM
Just curious... Who "proved Darwin wrong like years ago?".... Most scientist that I work with consider most of his findings to be valid. A great deal of empirical research in biomedical sciences is based on the findings of Darwin and those that followed.
I am not responding to that...but it is funny...if i respond then it will get back into religion and we have already been over that...not only that point but other points as well that I know would offend many...
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fishmonger
10-12-04, 05:27 PM
scali,
Evolution, the adaptive changes of a species that enhance survival due to environmental pressures, have indeed been observed, and in fact over a fairly short period of time.
I read about a study done on a remote volcanic island with a fairly harsh environment. There is a species of bird there, a type of finch if I remember correctly, that eats only the seeds of one of the few plants that grow on the island. These people visited for years, and found that the year after a relatively wet year, the seed husks were thinner and less strong, and the newborn birds developed lighter, less powerful beaks. Conversely, after a dryer year, beaks were measureably heavier and more powerful to open the tougher seed husks that resulted from the dry years. Not all individuals conformed to these trends, and survival rates were indeed indicitave of Darwin's theory.
Of coarse this doesn't prove that my Grandpa was a monkey, but the theory is pretty much settled science. No religious discussion needed here.
BTW, my wife's name is Shannon. Are all Shannons pistols? http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/smile.gif
FM
fishmonger
10-12-04, 05:35 PM
Oh yeah, the fish. Not New Foundland, North Carolina. The DH on, well, a smaller DH water, but not the Nanty. Got one on a pink GloBall, and one on a Black WB. Also got a 20" Rainbow, and lost a bigger Brown. Released about 30 fish over 6 hours. I only saw 4 other fishermen.
I also did well on Sunday on the Hooch. Fall is here http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/smile.gif http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/smile.gif.
Bob, we are definately neck and neck.
Thanks to jeffg for the calm moderating.
FM
streamKAT
10-12-04, 06:25 PM
Darwins theory is only successfully describes natural selection WITHIN species.
The origin of species is still unproven.
Many scientists and pseudo-scientists particularly are dogmatic , almost religous, about Darwins theory. But it remains a theory, scientifically unproven except for the point mentioned above which has been observed.
I was on the Hooch Sat and had more lengthy hookups than I bought to hand ... These must be the veteran trout that remain to holdover ;)
fishmonger
10-12-04, 07:09 PM
KAT,
It seems to also do a good job of explaining the competition between species. Introduce the concept of random mutation, also quite explainable and observable, due to radiation's (from the sun) effect upon DNA, and the origin of species is the next logical step.
There is an idea in scientific thought called Occum's Razor, whereby given a set of observed conditions where the cause is unknown, and there are multiple theories as to how the result was reached, that the most likely cause is the simplest set of circumstances. Occum's Razor is a good thought exercise for many subjects, the origin of species particularly so.
Man, what a rambling thread...where to next?
FM
FM
Nice fish! I've been looking to try some of that water.
Regarding 'the race' I have only one deleted post for disparaging both candidates, equaly I might add. You have to be working in double-digits by now. :)
Perhaps we can all agree that Darwin's theory (inductive logic again) does not apply to all women and some men?
fishmonger
10-12-04, 10:06 PM
Definately agreed!
Regarding the election: I have been laying low lately in terms of posting. Not much else to be said. I haven't been deleted except in the last thread that magically disappeared. Too bad, too, my rant was a doosie http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/wink.gif.
Maybe I'll step up right now: Terrorists should go back to being a nuisance? Terrorism is like prostitution and illegal gambling?!? What a dork!! I predict that this unforced error will drop the Darwinian quotient mightily for the Master(de)bater come Nov 2!!
FM
Yep. BTW, the $400,000,000,000 of hot checks that the government is writing this year and which will increase over the next 20 years must be a 'nuisance' too.
BTW, if you last post gets edited by an administrator you'll be even further ahead. :)
or to take another turn http://www.washtimes.com/national/20041013-121643-5028r.htm
border security.. campaign issue.. any candidate really offering answers?
NBC’s Matt Lauer asked if we could win the war on terror, Bush said: “I don't think you can win it, but I think you can create conditions so that those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world, let's put it that way.”
isnt this saying it is a nuisance?
The Bush quote is surprisingly lucid and the Kerry misquote is 'spin'. Both Bush and Kerry are correct that you can't 'stamp out' terrorism. Minimize it sure, but how could you gurantee that there will be no more Eric Rudolf's or Tim McViegh's? You can't. Saying you can is just posturing.
Even at its current level we are still more likely to be hit by a car. The best way to 'stamp out' terrorism is to just refuse to be terrorized or let the fear of terrorism rule youyr decision-making. The current course is couterproductive. Bush and Osama must be pen pals.
streamKAT
10-13-04, 12:50 PM
"and the origin of species is the next logical step."
Thats a rather large leap as opposed to a step.
Unproven dosen't mean unlikely it's just that it remains unproven.
Ok about Darwins theroy...Yes the short necked giraffs disappeared because they could not survive, horses are smaller in very cold climates, ect ect...but the big issues that were proven to be wrong are the ape issues, so to a point there is selective evolution...but that was not the big thing with Darwins theroy now was it?
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streamKAT
10-13-04, 05:33 PM
Oh Yeah .... ignore it and it will go away.
We did that,it DIDN'T go away; it came closer.
That was the way the Russians felt .... until BESLAM
lone wolf
10-13-04, 05:45 PM
I do not believe the "ape issue" was proven wrong, I just don't believe that it has ever been proven to be totally valid. I'm not sure if it will ever be proven to be valid in the minds of many. (One could argue that many of the theories that we consider valid can not be proven to the satisfaction of all) Especially to those that see scientific research as just another liberal, commie, media ploy to destroy american values.....etc....etc....
Well it does include:
1.) going after terrorists - and just as importantly to
2.) quit doing the really ill-considered things that are part of the cause.
As much as we would all like to think of oureselves as completely blameless vestal virgins, it ain't so. Some part of this is self-inflicted and that part is getting worse.
fishmonger
10-14-04, 09:06 AM
Humans and apes share about 97% of each other's genetic code. That is a fact. It is not much of a stretch to think that we are decended from a common ancestor. It is a huge leap to claim that we didn't. Note, the common ancestor was not an ape, but a precursor, and both species diverged and developed along different lines after divergence. Somewhere along the line, 10 or 20,000 years ago, humans developed language, and now we can argue about it http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/smile.gif. Ain't life grand?!
FM
lone wolf
10-14-04, 10:25 AM
fishmonger,
You bring up some very intereting points. Without going too deep into anthropology (which I love to study), homo-erectus remains have been found that have been dated back to I believe over 500,000 years ago. From there, homo-sapiens began to appear. The classic cave man (neanderthals) appeared about 100,000 years ago and where eventually driven to extinction by the cro-magnon, which are our direct ancestors and some believe the original "Adam & Eve". The problem that many anthropologist have with Darwin is his "missing link" theory (my wife often thinks I am the the missing link when she gets annoyed with my behavior during college football) http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/smile.gif
Darwin had this theory that new species arose by the gradual accumulation of tiny mutations that are based mainly on fossil records. This theory has been scrutinized and debated by folks a lot smarter than me for a long time.
In any event, it's fascinating stuff, but probably not appropriate for this board.
you guys are goofy, specifically FM & LW, (Darwin)...um the only evidence of humans was from about 6000 years ago, and if you say that we derived from apes per say, then if you go by the evolution thing, why is it apes have not developed to be different then they were thousands of years ago? Ok I guess you could watch planet of the apes and say that they developed in the movie! But I havent seen a difference in them...so how is it that if apes havent evolved into a more sophisticated species, how did we develope into humans from apes? (just asking)haha.. http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/smile.gif
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lone wolf
10-14-04, 03:44 PM
Evidence of humans from only about 6000 years ago??? You've got to be kidding? I like to know the name of a few reputable anthropologist who would make such a claim.
I never said we are direct descendents of apes.
I was only pointing-out the Darwinistic debate concerning the "missing link". Heck, we may even find the missing link amongst one of the fly fishers on this board http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/smile.gif
Um... I am sure there are a few FF that could prove Darwin right http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ubbngto/wink.gif
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