dip tobacco

[atlninja82]

well i've been dipping for almost 2 years now and im 16. at first it was skoal pouches and flavored long cut. and over the past year its been grizzly and copenhagen. i was talkin to my grandpa about it and he said he dipped for 10 years and he had a "pouch" type thing in his lip. well i have one too. but ive only been doing it for almost two years. could this be bad? he told me to switch to the other side if i have to have one. i looked on the internet and couldnt really find much. but im not doing it that much. on the weekends maybe 6 pinches a day. weekdays since i have school only about 2-3. i dont see how it could be that bad. i just wanted to know if the pouch in my lip is bad. its just a little bigger than the side i dont dip on. i can fit more in it.

thanks
-eric

[mb90535im]

You didn't look hard enough, Eric.

http://nhynot.org/images/new/mouth_cancer_5.jpg

http://nhynot.org/images/new/mouth_cancer_3.jpg

http://www.neosho.k12.mo.us/NHS/WellnessCenter/gruenbor.jpg

http://www.prairieview.net/SmokelessOral-Cancer.jpg

http://dontdip.tamu.edu/quitting/eattube.jpg

http://www.oralcancerfoundation.org/board_images/Bender.jpg

Get the picture?

[SWF]

http://www.outdoortexan.com/mycancer.htm

Oh Yeah, it's graphic

[Gaines'BowBum]

I'd quit now, before it gets any harder. I smoked cigs for almost ten years. Just recently quit for the family. Started dipping for a couple of months to help me off the cancer sticks. Big mistake, dip was way harder to get off of. Finally nicotine free now, for about 3 months. Well I still enjoy a dip or 2 on the river. But I ain't buying that junk... Get on the patch, and quit while you can. Its not as cool as you think it is...
--Alex

[skibum]

I thought about dip'n a little to knock the edge off while quitting the cigs. Glad I did'nt go that route and it's been 6 months now since i quit smoke'n:cool:

[Reel'em In]

This is one of the worst habits a person can get addicted to. What's worse is the trying to quit deal. I started out on twist then leaf. By highschool, I was on Skoal. In service, I started the Cope. Stayed on it for years. After about 10 yrs of this stuff, my lymph node glands in my neck started swelling. Consulted with an oral surgeon and he flat out told me to quit! After months, it seemed, I was finally over the nicotine. I've been told that Cope puts ground glass into their snuff to actually cut your lip. This supposedly helps the nicotine get into your system faster. This alone should tell you that they (tobacco co's) are not providing you with something to enjoy but something that just isn't natural for a person. My best advice is to simply quit the junk! Why pay for something like this that can scar you for life or even kill you? It just doesn't pay. Not only that, look at the money you can save and buy fishing supplies and maybe have :money: left over to boot.

[Bocephus]

I started at your age and still do it, the pouch you are referring to is normal, which shows how bad this stuff is for your mouth. I would quit now if I were you, try eating sunflower seeds the next time you have a craving. Copenhagen actually has ground wood chips in it, skoal and the rest have fiberglass, both are used to help the nicotine penetrate the soft mouth tissue. You don't want to be in your 20's and about to get a real job while still addicted to nicotine, a lot of people in a professional setting (except baseball) see any addiction as weakness and is looked down upon.

[Aquadump]

I started about your age too, and I would suggest putting it down now. It may be enjoyable to have one here and there, but if you keep doing that you will have a dip in all the time before too long.

[Gillseeker]

Thanks God for a praying, caring wife. I was addicted to Copenhagen for about 11 years. The Fantasy Goddess rode me like a rented mule until I quit. It took a buddy of mine losing half of his face for me to quit. Jared lost his teeth first then the cancer got his cheek. What used to be a pretty good looking man turned into Quasimodo.

My wife started buying me this stuff called Bacc Off which is basically tea leaved with Copenhagen flavoring. It doesn't pack very well but I hear they have pouches now. Try that stuff. It doesn't do much for the nicotine addiction but it does help with the habit of having to have a dip in your lip.

Dan

[SWF]

I quit on 9/11/2005 since then:
535 days quit / $1974.15 saved

Here are some more links
http://www.quitsmokeless.org/

http://z3.invisionfree.com/Quit_Smokeless/index.php?
The second one has a message board which helped me when quiting.

[finless brown]

I am 32 and had to have a chunk cut out of my lower lip last year. Fortunately it was not a malignant growth, but dang....... guess what- I still dip. I wish I could lay it down. I wish I'd layed it down when I was your age. Quit.

[atlninja82]

yea im going to... ive put a lot of thinking in it and its not worth it. thanks

[curbside]

While the soap box is out , I quit smoking 12 years ago and just had 1/3 of my right lung removed and started chemo . I smoked for 20 years before that and I can defiantly say it aint worth it no matter how much you like wateraver tobacco you choose.AS for me they say they got it all and the chemo is just a precaution but it all sure has cramped my fishing .

[hmaadd]

Trust me quit while you are young. Dipping causes headaces mouth soars yellow teeth. It will make your gum line recess and flake. It is not good.

[terry creech]

...not one person said "Keep it up buddy, you're doing great!" Stop. I'm 50 and have done most of it (substitute whatever you'd like for "it"). If I could do it over, I wouldn't do most of "it." Fish longer.

[Fish Gazer]

Like everyone said, quit now. There is a new drug available called Chantix to help you if you have problems stopping. I have seen remarkable results. Since Jan 1st I have personally seen probably 8 or 9 patients, maybe more, just quit, and basically not have any craving. Hard to believe I know, but if you need help its available.


Jeff

[nu2trout]

Atlninja, Why would you want to take a chance, especially after viewing those pictures. I have a strong stomach and that was just terrible to see. Dude, give it up as fast as you can flush that crap down the toilet. Get some of the tea leaves that were mentioned, eat some sun flower seeds, or something, but stop! Good luck kid, good luck. Find some help soon, and start by helping yourself. :cross:

[Tom]

Have been a light smoker most of my adult life, starting when I was in Korea in '51 at age 19. Have quit innumerable times and know how difficult it can be to give up an addiction. I have been very lucky to not have a tobacco related illness but am now fighting cancer of another type. Radiation and chemo is not fun....even if it takes care of the problem. These fellows have given you some great advice....heed it! Download a couple of those photos and put them where you can see them every morning and every evening. None of them look very cool to me. Good luck.

[THE EG]

Since your young and probably rarely consider your mortality, think of it from this perspective. I've never heard any woman say, "Wow! I just can't resist a man with black flecks in his teeth and brown spittle running down his chin!"

Sorry for the visual.:rolleyes:

[Rocketroy]

well i've been dipping for almost 2 years now and im 16. at first it was skoal pouches and flavored long cut. and over the past year its been grizzly and copenhagen. i was talkin to my grandpa about it and he said he dipped for 10 years and he had a "pouch" type thing in his lip. well i have one too. but ive only been doing it for almost two years. could this be bad? he told me to switch to the other side if i have to have one. i looked on the internet and couldnt really find much. but im not doing it that much. on the weekends maybe 6 pinches a day. weekdays since i have school only about 2-3. i dont see how it could be that bad. i just wanted to know if the pouch in my lip is bad. its just a little bigger than the side i dont dip on. i can fit more in it.

thanks
-eric

Try some of these "feel good" thangs! Like hiking-in-nature, helping someone in need, volunteering with an environmental group or simply respect your body! There will be plenty of unwanted,unearned quality of life "thangs' visted on you, as you add the years! Tobacco,drugs,excessive alcohol,overeating,are costing this society its vigor! Use your intelligence early!!!!! Regards, *Rocketroy *A fifty year,since becoming a recovering smoker, that is now in my 75th year and wade fish weekly,all year round!......try that on a diet of NICOTINE!

[absgood]

I started dipping Skoal when I was 16 also. Loved the stuff, about 2 cans a day by the time I was a senior in HS. Went to college and stopped dipping, no matter what they say, it's hard to dip and drink at the same time. Started smoking Cigarettes, got up to about 2 packs a day of Winston Lights. In the interim, I had to have some oral surgery as the Skoal formed the pouch and lowered the gum line where I dipped. After much wrangling with myself, parents, girlfriend I gave them up. :bang: Worse week of my life. I began chewing to help quit smoking. Finally, after about 4 years, I quit chewing. Breaking the nicotine habbit was the hardest thing I have eve done and that included quitting drinking and doing "other things". I say this because it is symptomatic of a lot of us here, we have addictive personallities. I have given it all up now, drinking, drugs, dipping, cigarettes and now smoke an occasional cigar about once a week while golfing of fishing. Give yourself the best present you will ever give yourself, quit. Although I'm not a doctor, Psychiatryst or great speller I do know one thing, the longer you do something the more difficult it is to stop. Good luck and remain positive. As you can see, there are a lot of us to learn from and I'm sure we will all support you in this effort.

[Aquadump]

Since your young and probably rarely consider your mortality, think of it from this perspective. I've never heard any woman say, "Wow! I just can't resist a man with black flecks in his teeth and brown spittle running down his chin!"

Sorry for the visual.:rolleyes:

“Copenhagen, you can see it in my smile
Copenhagen, drives them pretty girls wild!”

[curt bird]

Dear Eric and Friends,
I was not going to let this out of the bag or rant but this is too important not to say something. I am by profession a research scientist in Molecular and Cancer Genetics. I can tell you there is little about tobacco that is not deadly. It is one of the most toxic things you can put in your body and one of the most adictive short of narcotic drugs. Smokeless tobacco provides the highest dose of carcinogens of all tobacco products coupled to a very long and concentrated exposure. Do ont rely on antecdotal (indivdual experience) because it means little. There are always exceptions. Look at the whole poopulation and ask what kills the most Americans. Simply put you are playing with your life. Not today but the latent period is about 10 years or so. You deserve to live longer. Curt.

[sageboy]

"It is one of the most toxic things you can put in your body and one of the most adictive short of narcotic drugs. "

Hey Curt Bird - I've been addicted to both and I think it was easier to give up the narcotics. :(

[curt bird]

Sageboy,
Not to make light of a very serious topic BUT when I was younger and worked in a lab that specialized in toxicology the going intelligence was that the addictive qualities of tobacco were just slightly shy of heroine! And you wonder why those of us in the cancer research business are baffled by the complacency of the public toward tobacco companies. Simple addiction – and the addictive elements in tobacco have risen steadily over the last 10 years. I'll get off my soapbox as this is likely getting too far off topic. My $0.02. Curt.

[Tom]

Curt Bird for the informed viewpoints expressed in this thread. I have taken excerpts and forwarded them to my grandsons, who as of this moment do not smoke, dip or chew. May it always remain that way.
Those of us my age started smoking long before all the evidence was in...we thought it really cool to smoke. After all, Bogart did, William Holden did, so did Cary Grant...and all those beautiful women never said how much their breath stunk, or their clothes, or their car...or whatever. And back in our home area, lots of the girls smoked...so who cared. Well, now we know. Thanks

[Jimmy Harris]

I just want to say how proud I am of the folks on this board for giving good, forceful, heartfelt answers to this young man's questions. Both of my parents smoked all their adult lives and tried diligently to quit but never did before they died. I've noticed an interesting phenomenon over the past few years. One of my companies employs a mix of Hispanics, Laotians and Americans. The odd thing is that the Americans are the only ones who smoke. Does that give you any idea of how the tobacco companies have manipulated our society. And now they're doing it through snuff and cigars and our young people are falling for it all over again.