View Full Version : A Bit of Clarification on Sensitive Stream Information
First of all, nuggetleggs is not an idiot. Most everything he posted recently he has posted in the past without any flames or name calling. Without the name calling the thread probably would have faded pretty quickly into obscurity.
Although I find them entertaining and creative, all the bounce threads do is draw even more attention to something you guys want ignored. They are probably counter-productive.
The disclosure of information about certain streams has become a sore subject over the last year or so. I’ve personally shown I’m sympathetic to keeping some stream info quiet but some of you guys seem to have gone over the deep end about this.
The primary reason I wrote those guidelines was 2 part. 1) Because over the past few months we have had some characters trolling the board and 2) at the same time naïve new folks have been taking the bait, getting pummeled on the board, then referencing that there is no notice. For those new folks it was partially the NGTO administrators fault. Hopefully the posted notices now rectify that.
These notices were geared specifically toward small wild streams in Georgia. I left in all streams as a reminder of the old fishermen’s etiquette of keeping mum about shared information of a delicate nature. No matter where the stream was located. If those guidelines are going to become the rallying point for absolutists (no offense meant at this point) then I probably need to tweak the guidelines.
Central in both those “Small Stream Guidelines” posts is one of the central themes that make NGTO work. Respect and restraint. Folks that want things in absolutes or want to ignore that respect and restraint have never done well on NGTO and probably never will.
Which brings me to this thread:
www.georgia-outdoors.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62308&referrerid=7292
We have always tried to strike a balance at NGTO. There are always going to be differences of opinion on most any matter. The admins don’t care what you come to agree to or don’t agree to but it needs to be done in a civil manner. Name calling and insults will get your access denied from the board.
wlodarb, If you continue with the insults and name calling you’re going to find your access to the NGTO message board denied with no discussion. No disrespect meant but your personality makes you ideal for those trolls because your reactive nature and quick response with name calling/insults makes you ignore those themes of respect and restraint that make NGTO work. If you and the rest of the blue line folks don’t recognize you are being baited, the trolls will eat you alive because admins can only react to the trolls. We can’t anticipate them.
My personal take on Big Snowbird
I don’t really think it is the stream name per se but what is said about the stream that irritates.
Folks, a search of “snowbird” gave me 56 responses. Many are Big Snowbird Creek. This has never been a secret stream by any means here on NGTO. If I’m not mistaken, parts of it are stocked. And there have been almost no issues in the past. In a bit of irony, the first person to reference Big Snowbird on the message board while looking for information is now the owner of the message board with the “Any Mention of Wild Streams Will Get You Banned” stickies.
www.georgia-outdoors.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34002&referrerid=7292
J Bird was taking about this stream and his property on it in the early days of NGTO. I believe Skibum talks about his family near there still. A lot of folks on this message board do not consider this worthy of deserving flames. Not one of the admins has weighed in as thinking this stream should not be mentioned. We need to come to some reasonable compromises here.
The smaller stream may be a bit more sensitive. However, a search of the name pulls up 26 threads. There are already two previous threads with the name of that stream as the title with no issues. Several folks I respect greatly on this message board have mentioned it openly with no insuing comments. No disrespect meant but Chuckwagon is a contributor to one of them.
www.georgia-outdoors.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37168&referrerid=7292
This doesn’t seem very secret either. So you see some of the quandaries here. If opinions have changed, you need to tactfully explain why. I think that was what wlodarb and Chuckwagon were trying to do when the name calling began. BTW: If you notice I set this post up so I can come back and remove any of the delicate info.
Honey works on NGTO, vinegar never has.
My suggestions that may be added to the guidelines (as a start, I’ll tweak this too if it helps):
-If a stream comes up you are concerned about, keep the comments private with either email or private messages. This does not draw attention to the thread. Keep those private comments civil too, the admins are presently weighing what to do with a profanity laced PM that was passed on to us recently.
-I don’t really think it is the stream name per se but what is said about the stream that often irritates. (Details about the small upper reaches and the wild fish is probably more a problem than mentioning the stream). You might want to communicate what the specific issue is that bothers you.
-If you are that concerned about a stream being named, you might want to CC an admin so they know your concern also. It can’t hurt to get them involved and they might be a bit more diplomatic and more inclined to solve the problem than toss gasoline on the issue.
-If there are streams so little discussed or so sensitive they can be reasonably argued as secret, the admins will probably take them off the board. If you guys disagree on the sensitivity of these streams, most folks on NGTO are respectful if the subject is approached with some restraint. Wlodarb, you mentioned a truly secret stream being outed on NGTO, what I can offer is if you email or PM me the thread from the NC stream you referenced being outed, we’ll see if we can’t do something proactive about it.
There are always going to be topics that are going to be a bone of contention on NGTO. Streams out of state is one of them. Dealing with them maturely is what makes this place work.
Labrador
07-16-07, 10:29 AM
I rather be reactive, and ignore themes of repect when some one is telling the world about one of the largest wild brookie streams in the East...not really asking for respect in my book. Like I said I don't have any respect for idiots or what you like to call trollers, so maybe I should just call them trollers since that seems to be ok. You do what you think is right, and I will do what I know is right. If that get's me banned then oh well dude. There's plenty of message boards out there, and not ONE seems to have a stream naming problem or hundreds of bumps due to bad practices by members blabbing about stuff that should just not be posted on an internet forum. There aren't many trollers, besides here. Sorry for the reaction, "no offense meant," but you should of expected it.
I've been told the average NGTOer can't get past the second sentence of a post without his eyes glassing over.;) So...
A while back trout whisperer put what I just said now and intended in the original guidelines very concisely:
He said:
"whisperer sez: Rather than fool around with some "feel-good" guideline that does nothing to resolve the issue, I would recommend that the BOD take a more analytical approach. Assume that all trout waters can be classified as either STOCKED or WILD. Furthermore, assume that they are all either IN-GEORGIA or OUT-OF-GEORGIA. Now you're cooking....suddenly we have a simple 2X2 matrix and the problem area can be brought into focus.
WILD/OUT-OF-GEORGIA - Not much on the richter scale here
STOCKED/OUT-OF-GEORGIA - I don't think so
STOCKED/IN-GEORGIA - Ditto
WILD/IN-GEORGIA - BINGO...you're there !!!"
It sounds so simple until you get to the details. I left the out-of-state issues empty because it is up to you guys to figure out what to discuss and not discuss on the out of state issue. Personally, I think this issue will always be with us in one form or another. Tact is the way to deal with it.
chuckwagon
07-16-07, 10:43 AM
To Whom It May Concern,
I think what burns me the most is the lack of respect people have for other fisherman. It was stated early in the thread and PM's were sent as well that that was sensative information on so said stream. I am in no way associated with the name calling. That is a problem itself. The beef is that others(me) obviously took issue with the talk of this stream. I stated so in a PM and also on the thread after the banter went back and forth. There was no respect shown for a fellow fishermen that had a problem with naming of those streams. It certainly shows lack of character and lack of respect for fellow fishermen that do take wild fish seriously.
All I am saying is that there are people here that don't cuss others out and do ask for respect when it is obviously sensative info to them.
A simple bow out of the thread is good. Don't come back 20 posts later and give directions of trails etc. Thats LOWRENT man!
If you get chewed out by a member and don't like it. Don't take it out on others! We simply asked to not discuss a stream.
A little respect and courtesey will go a long way. To the whole that is. If you have a beef with one or two take it to them on PM.
Way the options, what good does it do to discuss wild streams on this board.
What harm does it do to name them on this board?
It should be obvious to most!
I certainly feel the majority of members here feel that talking about wild streams is sensative to most and shouldn't be done. (Any stream any where!)
I think the sticky proves that point.
It really is a slap in the face and shows total lack of respect for yourself and your fishing family to continue to name streams and keep the kind of banter up that was in that last thread over certain streams.
I for one prolly should have dropped it and the BUMPS got a little too much.
It is simple. If a stream is named and someone finds it sensative. Drop the thread. Show that YOU are the bigger person and can have the discipline needed to respect fellow fishermen.
If one deems it sensative I would bet there are bunches of others that deem it too!
Respect is the answer.
Trey
CW
Ok guys stop PM'ing me with request for a place to stay while fishing "No Name" streams..lol My inlaws dont live anywhere close to these mentioned streams... Now DH streams are a different matter ;)
I'd also like to point out the comments EG made about information in old posts. Sure those have some information that today would get someone burned, even Jeff. What people need to do instead of asking questions is first do a little searching the old posts here. Chances are you will find the info you are looking for. If you dont find the answer to your question, then atleast you already have some people in those threads who you can PM, let me say that again, PM, and chances are they will even give you the proper rock to stand on, if thats all your really looking for.. Asking information on wild hard to reach streams without atleast doing a little research first it sorta taking the fun out of it dont ya think..
So in other words, if you dont know, search. If you dont find the answer, PM someone who you know has been there, i/e from old posts. That way you dont even have to bring attention to the whole adventure..
It's hard to reach some of these locations. Why should the info on them be easy too??? We'll it can be very easy, but you need to know how to ask the right people without broadcasting your interest in it..
At one point several years ago this board had a list of the more common streams in Ga and a few outside the state. To the best of my recollection they were all stocked streams with public access. Maybe the BOD could resurrect that list and modify as necessary and those could be the ones safe to name in a post.
duluthgator
07-16-07, 12:52 PM
Slickrock and Snowbird have never been secrets. There is so much info on Slickrock on the web, that the last time I was there I ran into many. many hikers. It is listed on GORP and many other sites, and the State of NC sells maps of the entire area. Plkus, because of the Joyce Kilmer Memorial Forest designation, it gets even more publicity.
Snowbird is not a secret either and is very much the same.
This board has gotten ridiculous with the super secret handshake guys that attack any time someone says something they do not like and then they start calling people names.
EG, thanks for the excellent response. And please delete all the stupid bump threads. Those people need to take a "chill pill" and grow up.
chuckwagon
07-16-07, 01:03 PM
You don't get it do you? Its not that its a secret!
No respect for the wild fish and its habitat either!
Trey
CW
chuckwagon
07-16-07, 01:17 PM
Awe man, we shoulda left that post up so we can show just who we are dealing with?
What Class!
Trey
CW
duluthgator
07-16-07, 01:20 PM
You don't get it do you? Its not that its a secret!
No respect for the wild fish and its habitat either!
Trey
CW
No, we get it just fine. And we have just as much respect for the habitat and the wild fish as you do. In fact, I have respected the habitat in NC for the 57 years I have been on this earth, and fortunately, in the 1000's of days I have spent there, I have not encountered know-it-alls like you.
This use to be a really good, friendly board, but people like you screaming every time someone mentions Noontootla or other streams that are well known, make this place not worth the time anymore.
Go take your argument to someone like NC Game and Fish Magazine. They mentioned both places for tens of 1000's of people to read.
http://www.ncgameandfish.com/fishing/trout-fishing/NC_040502/index2.html
Try posting on SFF, FFS, or Owl's board. You would'nt last a day on any of those "Message Boards" posting the very info you now and have been.. Remember that chill pill is right here waiting on you...
duluthgator
07-16-07, 01:37 PM
Go post your garbage on SFF and see how long you last, or owl's board, or FFS, all MESSAGE BOARDS, not magazines.. They all dont follow your way of thinking.
And what exactly is my way of thinking? That is where you do not use common sense. The two places that were being posted about the past week are so well known that you have no basis for an argument.
And I have met Owl and even his wife, on more than one occasion, Nice guy but not real level headed. I frequent all of those boards, and I have never posted any info about any super secret wild streams. And my son's and I have hiked into plenty of them in NC along the parkway and other places. If you are like Owl, then you have my respect as an individual, as he is a nice guy. But when he screamed like you have been doing, I told him the same thing. Go take a chill pill.
Dont ask Dont tell. That is their policy. Thats why you dont post stream info over there and name names.. Go ahead and try it then. Go ask about those two creeks and stream info on them and see what happens. Yes thats your way of thinking, but it's not in line while the rules of any message board here in the SE.. I DARE YA!!!!!
Come on go try it...
I did'nt ask if you knew Owl or not, thats got nothing to do with what i'm talking about..
Aquadump
07-16-07, 02:05 PM
Though some of these streams may not be super secret, there is no sense in drawing even more attention to them.What’s the deal? Where does this urge to spew stream names come from?
duluthgator
07-16-07, 02:14 PM
Dont ask Dont tell. That is their policy. Thats why you dont post stream info over there and name names.. Go ahead and try it then. Go ask about those two creeks and stream info on them and see what happens. Yes thats your way of thinking, but it's not in line while the rules of any message board here in the SE.. I DARE YA!!!!!
Come on go try it...
I did'nt ask if you knew Owl or not, thats got nothing to do with what i'm talking about..
What a hoot. Last time I checked, this isn't Owl's board.
Wow what a hoot. Nice try anyway, EG.
:pop:
Labrador
07-16-07, 02:28 PM
And what exactly is my way of thinking? That is where you do not use common sense. The two places that were being posted about the past week are so well known that you have no basis for an argument.
And I have met Owl and even his wife, on more than one occasion, Nice guy but not real level headed. I frequent all of those boards, and I have never posted any info about any super secret wild streams. And my son's and I have hiked into plenty of them in NC along the parkway and other places. If you are like Owl, then you have my respect as an individual, as he is a nice guy. But when he screamed like you have been doing, I told him the same thing. Go take a chill pill.
How could you call one of the last strongholds of wild brookies in the east as not sensistive? I would love to hear your explanation?
Owl is passionate about things, so why knock a guy for that, especially when he can't defend himself over here?
Not level headed? Explain cause I don't know that side at all. Too bad you feel that way. Oh, and there is a no blabbing (plenty of PM of info though) about streams over there on his board, seems everyone get's along too? Weird.
River Rambler
07-16-07, 02:36 PM
No, we get it just fine. And we have just as much respect for the habitat and the wild fish as you do. In fact, I have respected the habitat in NC for the 57 years I have been on this earth, and fortunately, in the 1000's of days I have spent there, I have not encountered know-it-alls like you.
This use to be a really good, friendly board, but people like you screaming every time someone mentions Noontootla or other streams that are well known, make this place not worth the time anymore.
Go take your argument to someone like NC Game and Fish Magazine. They mentioned both places for tens of 1000's of people to read.
http://www.ncgameandfish.com/fishing/trout-fishing/NC_040502/index2.html
Great point. Go ahead and blame the DNR too for their publications and every single North Georgia Trout Streams book that lists these streams. There is a clear understanding between secret smaller streams and well known camping areas whether they hold wild fish or not. Chuck please insert Chill Pill.
Labrador
07-16-07, 02:49 PM
Chuck please insert Chill Pill.
Chuck,
insert pill if Rambler inserts brain.
TroutTackler
07-16-07, 03:08 PM
Wow.... this board is as hostile as it was.... hmmmm.... when was that???
DURING THE DROUGHT LAST YEAR!
DOG DAYS OF SUMMER + MESSAGE BOARD = ORNERY PEOPLE VENTING
I say we all meet up at the flag pole, or better yet, next to the she-ed (said in Slingblade accent)..... ME versus YOU! That's right, I'm calling all of you out! It's gonna be a sepaku like no ninja in history has pulled off!
TroutTackler
07-16-07, 03:08 PM
It'll be a crazy tornado of flailing arms and teeth!
Grateful Sam
07-16-07, 03:19 PM
This is fun! :pop:
I will keep my opinion to myself, I really dont have the time to get into an argument, but this is fun reading. :cheers:
Chris B.
07-16-07, 03:19 PM
Give Reauchambeau a try? I'm also staying out of this one. Though I will watch and eat popcorn like the Grateful one.
What a hoot. Last time I checked, this isn't Owl's board.
Man if that's the best you got, i'll go back to eating popcorn too :pop:
Grateful Sam
07-16-07, 03:41 PM
If this was Owls board, naming streams wouldnt be tolerated. :cheers:
:pop:
TheEndlessEnigma
07-16-07, 03:52 PM
would someone pass me some movie theater butter LOL
huntfish
07-16-07, 04:03 PM
Since the thread is removed, I can't post comments. But if recollection is correct, someone asked a question about two named streams and named them in the title. Nuggetleggs responded with an answer. Did not mention species of fish.
The other responses are what raised the hackle and let it be known that it was a *&^%$#@ stream. If everyone would hold some restraint and not rant, maybe some streams would remain secret and not so well known. Based on the responses, there are now two streams now listed for *&^%$# fishing.
Remember, that sometimes it is the responses that expose the area. In this case, it has.
huntfish
07-16-07, 04:05 PM
If this was Owls board, naming streams wouldnt be tolerated. :cheers:
:pop:
First off, it's not Jeff's board. And yes he did name some streams on this board when he first starting flyfishing.
TroutTackler
07-16-07, 04:10 PM
I hear the ol' Cohulawassee is full of them brookies.... but the bad thing is, it's chock full o' Leviathons, too. :0
Labrador
07-16-07, 04:23 PM
Since the thread is removed, I can't post comments. But if recollection is correct, someone asked a question about two named streams and named them in the title. Nuggetleggs responded with an answer. Did not mention species of fish.
The other responses are what raised the hackle and let it be known that it was a *&^%$#@ stream. If everyone would hold some restraint and not rant, maybe some streams would remain secret and not so well known. Based on the responses, there are now two streams now listed for *&^%$# fishing.
Remember, that sometimes it is the responses that expose the area. In this case, it has.
And before the hackle got raised there were a few postings politely asking to keep such a stream quiet. Then there was even more banter concerning other streams that some may deem sensitive. Then there was a bunch of additonal nonsense ("responses that expose an area") that I believe you were a part of as well.
Bean Counter
07-16-07, 04:46 PM
Give it a rest!!!
No, not yet - I still have half a bag left!
:pop:
duluthgator
07-16-07, 05:15 PM
First off, it's not Jeff's board. And yes he did name some streams on this board when he first starting flyfishing.
Russ, I love the 30 year olds telling us about protecting the habitat. LOL
Grateful Sam
07-16-07, 05:31 PM
I love the grandpas ruining it for us 30 year olds.
Labrador
07-16-07, 05:34 PM
Sam, I give you credit for staying out this long.
:pop:, then some :cheers: , then some :pop:
Windknot
07-16-07, 05:57 PM
Thanks for your efforts, THE EG. Trying to explain patterns of behavior developed when NGTO had a couple hundred members to 5,500 folks is a daunting task. It's a shame it couldn't generate a useful discussion.
To those who expressed their opinions without cursing, whining or snickering, thank you. You made an educational and thought-provoking explaination of your views.
Don
Don believe it or not, it's still a couple hundred members. Just because 5,303 people have signed up in 10+ years does'nt mean thats how many active posting/contributing members there are now. Back then maybe everyone was active posters, but I would bet if you look at every member who has ever signed up, you would'nt find more than a couple hundred (300-400 who knows) who have posted this year, much less posted at all..
I'm sure our latest member, pornolook, will be a hard sell for how things once were...lol
Now Don i'm not trying to pick a fight or anything but, in the amout of time it took me to head to the fridge for another beer, I found these stats interesting.
5303 members have signed on board.
Of those, only 3217 have atleast 1 post, ever.....
and if you take out the ones who have less than 5 posts ever, you have 1534, in 10+ years, and you'd still have to find the ones that are still here..
Thats about as far as I could go on one beer, but you can see what i'm getting at.. This is a very close knit family we have here, which like most familys we may fight over every little thing, more so in dry years.. So i'd rather see us this way, a close family, then trying to say were are bigger than the county population of Chuckwagons farmhouse...:eek:
Maybe looking at things this way might help sometimes...
FitFisher
07-16-07, 07:02 PM
I bet you I know why too!!
It took me a while before signing up b/c of the treatment some people were getting and as a newbie, no thanks.
Regardless of the wrong and the right, people will continue to make these mistakes, even intentionally, but I'm having a really hard time getting on to this forum and having to weave my way through all the garbage and the bickering over who's more right and knowledgable, who's been to what clean-up and how old we are. The funniest part about it is that every person on here is right and the first person to say that somebody else is acting childish is the more mature one???:confused:
Maybe we should shut the WHOLE FORUM DOWN UNTIL WE ALL CAN GET OVER IT!
There's way too many good people on here and good things to talk about to stay stuck on this junk.
Or maybe I should dissapear like the rest of the people who used to participate on here who got tired of the same "stuff"..........
Gator1679
07-16-07, 08:13 PM
Maybe we should shut the WHOLE FORUM DOWN UNTIL WE ALL CAN GET OVER IT!
.
:D :D :D :D :cheers:
wishin iwas fishin
07-16-07, 08:25 PM
"whisperer sez: Rather than fool around with some "feel-good" guideline that does nothing to resolve the issue, I would recommend that the BOD take a more analytical approach. Assume that all trout waters can be classified as either STOCKED or WILD. Furthermore, assume that they are all either IN-GEORGIA or OUT-OF-GEORGIA. Now you're cooking....suddenly we have a simple 2X2 matrix and the problem area can be brought into focus.
WILD/OUT-OF-GEORGIA - Not much on the richter scale here
STOCKED/OUT-OF-GEORGIA - I don't think so
STOCKED/IN-GEORGIA - Ditto
WILD/IN-GEORGIA - BINGO...you're there !!!"
This is a good start. It looks like out of state, wild streams should also be included to avoid this sort of conflict. However, there are a number of streams that are wild in one section, stocked in another (like Snowbird), what's the deal with those?
Gator1679
07-16-07, 08:51 PM
However, there are a number of streams that are wild in one section, stocked in another (like Snowbird), what's the deal with those?
Crap...now my favorite place to fish has been ruined....why did you have to go and name names...
Path_Less_Traveled
07-16-07, 09:13 PM
Wild fish on stocked streams? That is easily dealt with... just dont mention the name of the (stocked) stream in your post, be it a question, reply, or whatever.
Stocked Streams: ok to discuss the stocked sections... but if you're dealing with wild fish in your post (whether it be a question or reply), dont mention the stream name with it.... and if you're posting detailed information about anything (stocked or not), be cognizant that some may take offense... that i think is the sticky issue here... the details can be discussed via pm's.
If it's on the DNR stocked stream list, then it's fair game to be discussed in general terms.... just dont "connect" any wild fish with the stream name... one point of contention could be the lessor known stocked streams... and i dont have a good answer about how to deal with that... other than what i've said in this post.
I've actually made several wild stream reports, about wild sections of "stocked streams"... but have never mentioned the stream name in the report... it's not difficult to leave out the stream name guys!
Same goes for DH's... the extreme details can be left out without diluting the effect of the post.
Artificials Only Streams: These are listed on the DNR maps, etc... they are regulated and promoted as such for our use... but also another potential point of contention on message boards... please use discretion... and watch the use of detail.
Completely Wild Streams: Can be "reported on", without mentioning names...
As "Whisperer sez"
If it's not on the DNR stocking list, it shouldnt even be mentioned.... this pretty much eliminates any gray area!!
Most wild stream guys will gladly take you there... i've done that twice this year already... it's all about relationships!... the relationships i've developed with some guys on this board i wouldnt take a million dollars for...
Heck, i've even fished with a guy that i had a pretty bad fight with on this board... he's a great guy, and we will probably fish together again... which reminds me, another rule is that if you :hammers: , you have to :ghug: and fish together.
Also, there is plenty of info in the "archives" here... otherwise, if you want to do wild streams, get a map and go to it... go climb some dang waterfalls!
Just because other information avenues list and discuss extreme details doesnt mean we have to... as far as i know most other boards have much stricter rules than we do here (or we used to).
To Summarize:
1) It's not just the wild stream naming (defined as any stream not on the DNR stocking or Artificials Only list)... it's the extreme amount of detail, even about well-known streams, that gets people in a tizzy.
2) Use pm's
3) Have respect, and dont get personal!
Thanks to EG and the BOD for doing the right thing... sometimes the right thing isnt the most popular thing, although i think a majority here supports the not naming sensitive streams.
Oh yea.. one more thing (this has been touched on before)... when (not if) someone posts information that is clearly over the line, dont respond to it at all!!.. leave it to EG and/or the bod... they will take care of it... flaming up the thread only makes it worse.
Allright... i'm out of here... see ya on the water... anybody wanna go fish???
Grateful Sam
07-16-07, 09:52 PM
I'll go fishing PLT. When we going? :cheers:
nuggetlegs
07-16-07, 09:54 PM
Thanks for removing most of the banter and such. If only we could get rid of them darn bump posts. :D
Sir Honkey (wlodarb) and I settled out on the PMs so things for the most part are good.
I appreciate the clarification EG. Hopefully folks can use discretion and keep this board from breaking down into childish banter.
I went back and checked the forums and had to edit my posts.
Nugg to the Legs.
finless brown
07-16-07, 09:55 PM
Russ, I love the 30 year olds telling us about protecting the habitat. LOL
Hey now.... what are you, some sort of bigot? 30 year olds rule, grampas drool!!!!:D :D :D
biggatrout
07-16-07, 10:14 PM
OK you guys talked me into it. I have given up my fishing gear and found a new place to play.
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nuggetlegs
07-16-07, 10:18 PM
Oh God Bigga, I didn't think it was that bad!!!!
If you want to come back to fishing you could always tie some string to the end of one of your clubs and fish that way. I've heard some of the country clubs have some pretty nice ponds.
Sorry we did this to you, I hope you get better.
Looks a little short, and def a 2 putt atleast.. :rotfl:
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