Yall look at this....

[FlyFishGA]

I found this over on GON Forum....What's your opinion? This looks a little fishy to me...(no pun intended)

http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=172367

[Loopdawg]

Looks like they've been doin' a little night fishn' next to somebody's pellet thrower.

[nu2trout]

I could not get the pics to show, can someone post them or copy them on here?

[Trout8myfly]

And when were these fish caught? The photos make me think it was late spring or summer. Lots of vegetation.

Here're the pics:

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/S_DSC02004.JPG
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/S_DSC02001.JPG

[decfly]

Yikes, that's one scary forum.

[fishnpreacher]

And not a sign of rod and reel in either pic... I wonder

Several years ago John at Unicoi Outfitters told me about some poaching up on the Bend. Some guy had 4 or 5 pellet pigs on a stringer and was taking them home to eat. Jimmy said the guy could have the fish. Once cooked, they smell and taste like the trout chow that they are fed. I hope so....:rolleyes:

[Aquadump]

No rods or reels? Think they tickled all those pigs?

[THE EG]

if they caught them within the regs. And I'll even say "good for them".

But I know it just makes a C&R guy cringe... even if they were pellet fed.

[The Ole Man]

Seems I recall these pics being associated with a prior thread on NGTO about some folks fishing private property on the Soque (maybe illegally--can't remember).

[finless brown]

Man, I bet those fish tasted nasty. Imagine fishy corn meal flavored jello.

[wigglyworm]

Reminds me of a joke. I don't have the original text so I'll paraphrase....

A ranger comes across a guy dragging a cooler down a trail away from the DH. He looks in the cooler and it is full of fish. The ranger tells the guy that he is in big trouble for poachin.
The guys says: " I'm not poachin, these are my trained fish. I take em out for a swim everyday and then whistle and they jump back in the cooler".
The ranger says, "OK, wise guy lets see"
The guy dumps the fish back in the DH.
The ranger says: C'mon, lets see you get those fish back in the cooler.
The guy says: "what fish"?

[fishmonger]

Fun to catch, not to eat.

They either poached them, or spent a ton of money on pellets just to kill 'em. Either way, they're not rocket surgeons.

Trout that size are way to valuable to eat, where ever they are found, except maybe Alaska.

FM

[Windknot]

I don't know the featured cast, but they may be family members of some of the private stretches of public streams that feed their "resident" fish. It happens; and they grow rapidly. I shan't name streams, but you know them. If they were legal, more power to 'em. :cheers:

If they'd broken the law, I doubt they'd be smiling for photos. Unless they're wannabe rocket surgeons. [props to FM] :huh:
Don

[Ted]

Yikes, that's one scary forum.

wow. avatars are bigger than the posts. and they ain't too purty. BUT, to each his own. Diversity in online forums is what makes America great! gimmeahelyeah!

Oh yeah, nice fish. Big fish.

[NewtoHooch]

I just joined.

[B Kar Ma]

Any chance these are photoshopped? They just don't look right...........

[NewtoHooch]

The Cupid Fish page is sketchy.

[Milton]

Maybe a landowner let them keep the fish in anticipation of a summer die-off or something, I dunno. All I know is that I don't normally hear of landowners allowing people to keep large numbers of their pellet pigs, even if they give them permission to fish.


-Milton

[Trout8myfly]

The Cupid Fish page is sketchy.

The pics may be on Cupidfish but they are also on the Hunt101 site, from which I'm hot-linking into my post above. I wanted to see if I could find a date in the image metadata but no joy so far.

[childers]

DANG!! those are big

[bassasaurus rex]

Man I've never seen a day like that..Hmm no fishing poles to be seen in any pics, no vests or worm boxes, nothing....Strange to me, One of the posts says South Of Helen was where they were caught.
Wouldn't be a shame if these were poached off Dukes or something. I must however say, if this is legate, Man I wish they'd leave some for me!
none the less very pretty fish
LOL

[CObound]

MAKES ME SICK

[bronson01]

Those look exactly like the fish that come out of one of my Grandpas trout farm ponds in Blue Ridge. Looks like waters creek all over again

[Art Vandalay]

I think those fish came from Goshen. There's an older gentleman (Mr. Lovell) with a big piece of property up there I understand he sold to some developers this past summer. Maybe he let some family or friends take a few?? :huh:

I can tell you those are not as large as some of the fish I've seen up there.

Mr. Vandalay

[Beer Grillz]

That first photo looks strikingly similar to the pasture at Nacoochee Bend.

I find it amusing that the homely fellow in the second photo (twice referred to as a rocket surgeon in this thread) is wearing a UGA t-shirt. :rotfl:

[Milton]

The photos remind me of Goshen Creek (a tributary of the Soque) too, but I certainly couldn't say for sure. The Lovells sell annual memberships to fish that water, and it's catch and release and heavily restricted. I've fished there a few times as a guest of a member, and even that costs $150. I think they may let members keep one fish a year, or something like that.

If that's where those guys were, I'd be surprised if the Lovells gave them permission to keep those fish, but what do I know.


-Milton

[Mountainman36]

Its a real picture, dont fool yourself.
you can catch em like that at the right times on the public section on the Soque. i fish a private section, and we caught about 10 or 12 all that size between us in about 2 hours, on spinners. I dont pay, and he doesnt stock or feed the fish, but folks upstream and downstream sure do.
Fish dont seem to have a real good grasp on property boundries.

rpc

[Brooks]

I don't know what to say about that, maybe he's got some techniques that I haven't learned yet. But I bet he's not a fly-fisherman.

Possibly the most disturbing thing of all in these two pictures is the protuberance growing off the old man's right arm in the picture with the five trout gilled on a stick. What is that? :yikes:

[Dan1642]

I found this over on GON Forum....What's your opinion? This looks a little fishy to me...(no pun intended)

What’s my opinion? I think you need to get a life. Starting threads like this do nothing but feed the insanity or idiocracy.

Looks like they've been doin' a little night fishn' next to somebody's pellet thrower.

Speculative!

Like you’ve NEVER fished close to a feeder, or ever fished over fed fish. I guess your one of those “purist” who only casts dry flies upstream to rising fish.

if they caught them within the regs. And I'll even say "good for them".

Ahhhhhhhhhh! Now there’s a non-judgmental voice of reason. How rare that is on this web-site.


They either poached them, or spent a ton of money on pellets just to kill 'em. Either way, they're not rocket surgeons

Speculative!
You have absolutely no indication (or reason) to even imply that they were poached. So tell me……..who is not a “rocket surgeon”?
FYI, pellets are not that expensive.


. Trout that size are way to valuable to eat, where ever they are found, except maybe Alaska.

Is that a personal opinion? Or as someone who is apparently knowledgeable enough to label someone as a “non-rocket surgeon”, do you have any biological insight to support that claim.


Fun to catch, not to eat.

Speculative!


Hmm no fishing poles to be seen in any pics, no vests or worm boxes, nothing....

And that proves? What……….anything………..i’m waiting!

MAKES ME SICK

Then get out of the kitchen (if you can’t stand the heat)

Looks like waters creek all over again

Speculative! What’s interesting is that you balk at the site of someone holding a fish up in the air, yet your avatar shows you doing exactly the same thing! How Ironic!

I find it amusing that the homely fellow in the second photo (twice referred to as a rocket surgeon in this thread) is wearing a UGA t-shirt. :rotfl:

WTF! Are you sure you are not a “rocket surgeon” also?


Come on guys find something that is really worthwhile to speculate about and get your panties in a wade over. I catch and release when I want to, I catch and eat when I want to.
PEOPLE KEEP AND EAT FISH!
The same way people kill and eat deer, rabbits, quail, squirrels, turtle, other species of fish, yada yada yada!

OK, do me and the rest of the fishing community (the ones who realize that keeping fish can actually be good for the overall health of the aquatic ecosystem) a favor!
If it bothers you that bad, to the point where you blindly puke up ridiculous specualtions based on circumstantial evidence, then trade in all of your fishing gear on a set of golf clubs. Then you won’t have to worry about anybody keeping/killing anything. And have fun chasing that little white ball around with that metal stick! Unless you think it "Cruel" to run that lawn mower over and chop those poor defense-less little blades of grass into little pieces.

[Counslrman]

George,
I can't see the fish. My screen has red x's where the photo link should be.
Tight lines!
Jimmy

[nu2trout]

It is very intersting that a guy gets on this board and his very first post is tearing down long time members of this board for their thoughts. I am guessing that Dan1642 will make only a few more posts, mostly in this thread, and then be gone back to his GON habitat to tell his friends how screwed up people on this board are (Dont worry about pulling that out and quoting me either, and dont worry nobody got their panties in a wade, but it sounds like yours are sure in a wad).
You have come onto this board and you do not seem to understand the way people on here feel about the species they seek and the environment in which they enjoy seeking them. There is nothing wrong with keeping some fish to eat on occasion. But when you will not give any details about how these fish were caught, and the pictures show no "normal" methods of catching then people start to question. It is what people do. If there was nothing "fishy" about the actions of the two guys in the pictures then why did they not talk about the gear used, and wether they were given permission to fish, paid to fish, or were on public fishing water in a year around stream? I hope you understand what I am trying to say here Dan1642. You have a picture of big fish thrown in front of fisherman and they want answers and if you are not going to provide them then they will start to guess at them.
So, I look forward to your next post or two and then I am sure we will part ways, so you can exist on your other board with people that seem to understand you better and we will stay here and talk badly about you when you are gone::ke: , just kidding.

[Beer Grillz]

My panties are not in a "wade". :)

[FlyFishGA]

It is very intersting that a guy gets on this board and his very first post is tearing down long time members of this board for their thoughts. I am guessing that Dan1642 will make only a few more posts, mostly in this thread, and then be gone back to his GON habitat to tell his friends how screwed up people on this board are (Dont worry about pulling that out and quoting me either, and dont worry nobody got their panties in a wade, but it sounds like yours are sure in a wad).
You have come onto this board and you do not seem to understand the way people on here feel about the species they seek and the environment in which they enjoy seeking them. There is nothing wrong with keeping some fish to eat on occasion. But when you will not give any details about how these fish were caught, and the pictures show no "normal" methods of catching then people start to question. It is what people do. If there was nothing "fishy" about the actions of the two guys in the pictures then why did they not talk about the gear used, and wether they were given permission to fish, paid to fish, or were on public fishing water in a year around stream? I hope you understand what I am trying to say here Dan1642. You have a picture of big fish thrown in front of fisherman and they want answers and if you are not going to provide them then they will start to guess at them.
So, I look forward to your next post or two and then I am sure we will part ways, so you can exist on your other board with people that seem to understand you better and we will stay here and talk badly about you when you are gone::ke: , just kidding.


Well said! The starter of that thread goes on to say that they "caught" them below Helen. But that don't look like that stretch of water to me!

[fishmonger]

...what an into. I will give you this, that post probably has the record for most quotes in a single post. And as one who got quoted 3 times from my tiny little post, I'll grace you with a reply.

Uh, "rocket surgeons" was a joke, that I guess you don't get (bankers not much on jokes, huh?) and a mild and friendlier commentary on the subject of discussion than I really feel.

I notice that you got your panties in a wad (wade?) about things "speculative". Really, aren't all opinions speculative? And since the originator of the pics offered no facts, well, then those of us that cared to discuss the pics are left with nothing to go on but speculations. Offer some facts, and we may revise our opinions.

I have plenty of reason to imply that they could be poached, the first being the lack of facts offered. I'm too busy to teach you the rest.

The cost for the amount of pellets to fatten up that many trout would buy many steaks or trout from Krogers.

Pellet-fed pigs taste like pellets anyway, so why not just have a big 'ol bowl full, Cherrio-style? Speculative, you bet, I would never proudly, or any other way, eat a pellet pig. I know enough about fish, and any other game, to know that their food source is a prime determiner of their table quality. Little trout eat much better than pellet pigs, and little wild trout are the best. Not specualtive. Little wild trout are also notoriously difficult to find and catch (not speculative), but that should not be a problem for the incredible sportsmen you are defending (definately speculative).

Fun to catch, speculative? Not hardly, fact. It is also a fact that folks will pay big money to catch, and release, fish such as these, so being a big time retired banker, surely you see the foolishness of eating an investment that can pay off many times if properly cared for. Cramming a stick in their gills does not qualify as proper care. Dollars taste crappy, and so do pellet pigs.

Biologocal insight following: It is a fact that trout don't naturally grow that big here in GA, or really anywhere in the lower 48 in large numbers. It is a fact that where they do get that big naturally and can reproduce due to quality habitat, that those are prime spawners, and would produce many offspring, making them much more valuable than as a pre-processed turd. See my lesson above regarding pay-to-fish valuation.

My last comment is really my favorite. Quote "Is that a personal opinion?". No, actually, it is my cat's, but he can't concentrate on his typing because the mouse keeps distracting him. :rotfl::rotfl: Seriously, what other kind of opinion is there?

BTW, my panties aren't in a wade, wad, bunch, riding high, creeping, twisted, wet, stanky, or any other abnormal condition, this is just fun. Don't get me wrong, they do get that way occassionally, but not over this.

Lots to quote here, better get busy :cheers:

FM

[Talknsht]

If you had a spot like that would you broadcast it on the net ?




Trout that size are way to valuable to eat, where ever they are found, except maybe Alaska.
FM

To who ?

If you were fishing within the regs and caught one of those fish , would you offer it to the guy on the bank with the stringer trying to catch dinner. Hard to say about the value.

[fishmonger]

Not looking for his spot. Maybe something like "caught these on my Grandpa Moses' property on crickets" or "got these on the public stretch of the Soque" or "summer's almost here and our neighbor asked us to take some fish that are dying in the dought anyway", or whatever acceptable circumstance that you and Dan seem to be so sure is how they got those beautiful trout.

Nope, I would release it, let them kill their own dinner.

To me, and apparently many others.

And I disagree about how hard it is to say about the value, it wasn't hard at all. Not that anybody has to agree.

FM

[Widowmaker]

Yikes, indeed!

[Dan1642]

It is very intersting that a guy gets on this board and his very first post is tearing down long time members of this board for their thoughts.

Actually, I’m an old member who hasn’t posted anything in years, but I can’t remember what my old screen name or password is.

for their thoughts.
Actually, there is very little “thought” or thinking going on here in this post, but there is A LOT of un-founded judgment and assumption going on.


tearing down long time members of this board for their thoughts
Lets see, out of the 8 posts I quoted in my reply, 6 are listed as members with less than 3 years of membership. Considering that Aaron started NGTO almost 14 years ago, I hardly think I’m “tearing down long time members”.

Out of the real “long time members” I pulled quotes from,

THE EG (Join Date: Feb 1999), I actually complimented his sensible non-judgmental reply. Which is the only proper reply anyone with common sense should have made based on the evidence presented.

As far as “fishmongers” (Join Date: Sep 1999) post, it is completely indicative of why I “tore him down”. This is a speculative, judgmental assumption based solely on what? A photo of a guy holding up a fish. One can make the same argument about fishmonger. For looking at his avatar picture, I see “ Hmm no fishing poles, no vests or worm boxes, nothing….strange to me” as quoted from bassassarus rex.

The only conclusion(s) that a sensible person (who does not assume or hand out judgment) can make from this photo is:

1. The two individuals are both male.
2. The two individuals are either in or near a body of flowing water.
3. The two individuals are both holding rainbow trout.
4. Only one individual is absolutely keeping fish.
5. The aforementioned individual who is absolutely keeping fish is within the legal limit of 7 trout.

To assume that the two individuals are, poaching, trespassing, or ignorant based on a photo is simply absurd. And really solidifies the ignorance of the one making the assumptions.

I am guessing that Dan1642 will make only a few more posts, mostly in this thread, and then be gone back to his GON habitat to tell his friends how screwed up people on this board are (Dont worry about pulling that out and quoting me either, and dont worry nobody got their panties in a wade, but it sounds like yours are sure in a wad).

I believe I’ll hang around this time. As for the “GON habitat”, I’m not a subscriber, but from the other sportsmen I am friends with who are, they already know how screwed up the opinions and attitudes of a few people on this board are. That fact was established long ago.







You have come onto this board and you do not seem to understand the way people on here feel about the species they seek and the environment in which they enjoy seeking them.
As a 30+ year contributor to TU, I know exactly how it feels.

But when you will not give any details about how these fish were caught, and the pictures show no "normal" methods of catching then people start to question.
Start to question based on what grounds. I have nothing better to do? I am insecure about myself and feel compelled to pass judgment on others? Maybe they didn’t feel like telling anything other than “I caught these on Saturday”

Where do you guys feel that you are entitled to know anything more than “I caught these on Saturday”

It is what people do.
It’s what insecure people do.


If there was nothing "fishy" about the actions of the two guys in the pictures then why did they not talk about the gear used, and wether they were given permission to fish, paid to fish, or were on public fishing water in a year around stream?
Where is the “fishy” stuff? Until you can prove otherwise, it is irresponsible to say anything other than “those guys caught some nice fish”.

I hope you understand what I am trying to say here Dan1642. You have a picture of big fish thrown in front of fisherman and they want answers and if you are not going to provide them then they will start to guess at them.
I have not heard anything that would reasonably justify why these two guys were automatically convicted of being poachers, trespassers, or immoral fishermen.

[Counslrman]

Troll alert!!
Hey , weren't you "Dan1100" in a previous life?
Tight lines!
Jimmy

[fishmonger]

Check some of my posts, and tell me if I look or sound like a poacher. I am sorry, but the guys in the pictures do to me, based on my admittedly preconcieved notions.

Are sure that you were not a lawyer, you seem to be working real hard to sound like one.

So, what is your skin in this game? You have already invested a good bit of energy defending strangers. Or are they? I have none, other than I care about trout, especially big, live ones.

:pop:

FM

[finless brown]

Y'all keep it coming. This is quite entertaining. Why such a stink about a bunch of PFP's anyway? :huh:

[nu2trout]

aweome!:D

I got quoted a lot of times in there. I am speculating that Dan1642 has too much time on his hands, or would that be a bad thing to do. I know I am not a long time member, but I thought I might be entitled to an opinion or two.

forgive me if I am not as smart as you or do not belong to as many boards as you, or have a lot of friends that already know how screwed up the people on this board are. I guess I am jut a simple person that will allow anyone persuade me to think the way they want me to.
I have now seen the error of my ways and think that Dan1642 is correct, we should never post a report again and we should take every fish we can and eat them by any means needed to get them in the frying pan, and we should leave all details of said "catches" to ourselves and no self respecting person that is not insecure will wonder about it. I guess really he is saying that Mr Sago should cancel the board. So, I guess this is good bye to all of the people I have met here since this will be the last day of NGTO. You better hurry to the swap shop too because I will be selling all of my nice fly fishing and conventional gear, along with my fly tying things, so I can do what these guys have done, just catch fish in some mystery spot.

Good bye Ngto Dan1642 has come to tear us down, since we are not as good as him we are doomed to perish. :nervs: :cry:

[The Ole Man]

A similar thread with similar comments occured on 11/14/05, NGTO, Gen Info, posted by dblhaul, titled Soque River, mess o' fish (search that title). The photo and post originated at SFFF and the first post has a link to the photo--but I can't see it as I'm not registered there.

[Aquadump]

Y'all keep it coming. This is quite entertaining. Why such a stink about a bunch of PFP's anyway? :huh:

Judging from those photos, I believe the stink may be about the fact that those two “bubbas”*may be better fishermen than some. They caught all those pigs and they weren't even wearing their overall boot suits. I wonder whether they were baiting hooks with Purina or Ol' Roy?::ke:

[Trout8myfly]

Judging from this thread a bunch of folks need to GET OUT OF THE DANGED HOUSE AND GO FISHING!

(We now return you to our regular ranting...I mean programming.)

[wishin iwas fishin]

A similar thread with similar comments occured on 11/14/05, NGTO, Gen Info, posted by dblhaul, titled Soque River, mess o' fish (search that title). The photo and post originated at SFFF and the first post has a link to the photo--but I can't see it as I'm not registered there.

Are you talking about this post?

http://www.southeastflyfishingforum.com/forum/poacher-looks-like-t6487.html?t=6487&highlight=soque

[nu2trout]

I need to go "fishing" where those fish were "caught". I NEED a day of catching and RELEASING that kind of trout. Maybe Bubba and Bubba 2 will start a guide business, for all of us envious people:rolleyes:

[Dan1642]

Uh, "rocket surgeons" was a joke, that I guess you don't get (bankers not much on jokes, huh?) and a mild and friendlier commentary on the subject of discussion than I really feel.
Ok, I retract any “ill-will” towards the labeling (That’s funny, because most of the engineers I know are pretty dry also)

And since the originator of the pics offered no facts, well, then those of us that cared to discuss the pics are left with nothing to go on but speculations. Offer some facts, and we may revise our opinions.
As stated in another post “Where do you guys feel that you are entitled to know anything more than “I caught these on Saturday”?
And how does that justify any of the comments made about the photos?

I have plenty of reason to imply that they could be poached, the first being the lack of facts offered. I'm too busy to teach you the rest.
Lack of facts offered …[gives]…. plenty of reason to imply
I’m glad you are not a lawyer, I’m glad you’re too busy to teach me the rest. What scares me is that you might be teaching this mentality to others, so for me to debate and offer an argument against it is perfectly justifiable.

Pellet-fed pigs taste like pellets anyway, so why not just have a big 'ol bowl full, Cherrio-style? Speculative, you bet, I would never proudly, or any other way, eat a pellet pig. I know enough about fish, and any other game, to know that their food source is a prime determiner of their table quality. Little trout eat much better than pellet pigs, and little wild trout are the best. Not specualtive. Little wild trout are also notoriously difficult to find and catch (not speculative), but that should not be a problem for the incredible sportsmen you are defending (definately speculative).
OK!

Fun to catch, speculative? Not hardly, fact. It is also a fact that folks will pay big money to catch, and release, fish such as these, so being a big time retired banker, surely you see the foolishness of eating an investment that can pay off many times if properly cared for. Cramming a stick in their gills does not qualify as proper care. Dollars taste crappy, and so do pellet pigs.
Irrelevant, off point

Biologocal ( Biological ) insight following: It is a fact that trout don't naturally grow that big here in GA, or really anywhere in the lower 48 in large numbers. It is a fact that where they do get that big naturally and can reproduce due to quality habitat, that those are prime spawners, and would produce many offspring, making them much more valuable than as a pre-processed turd. See my lesson above regarding pay-to-fish valuation.

It is a fact that fish do not naturally grow to that size in Georgia, but it is not unheard of. As far as finding fish that size in regular numbers in the lower 48, you are very mistaken. I’ve fished rivers and streams in the west and up the eastern coast where 15-20” trout were of average size for that body of water.

With the value thing, let me say something about stocking programs, hatchery/farm raised trout. The private individuals who stock fish in state waterways get their fish from trout farms. State law prohibits the introduction of non-native species of fish, or fish species that are capable of reproduction, these fish are reproductively sterile. Also referred to as Triploids. These trout are popular among the pay -to- play because triploids put all of their energy into growing instead of reproduction. Every pay to play operation in Georgia has Triploid trout swimming around. Every section of any river in the state of Georgia that has had private stockings of trout, have triploids in them. I’m trying to verify it from the DNR and the federal hatchery guys, but the last time I talked to one about stocked trout, unless they are trying to re-establish a self-sustaining population of trout in a specific waterway, the trout that are commonly stocked are sterile Triploids. But I might be mistaken about that. There are lots of strains of trout that trout farms have, and mixing them all together tends to “pollute” the gene pool.

In summary, there is a large portion of the trout in the state that do not reproduce. Whether or not stocking Triploids that may or may not out compete other fish for food thereby causing harm to the ecosystem is still up for debate.

Sure there are naturally reproducing strains of rainbow and brown trout in GA that are remnants of stocked fish from long ago.


Georgia’s stocking program is based on a put-n-take system. They try to supply enough catchable sized trout to satisfy the demand of those who desire to catch and keep trout.


Back to the point:

We know nothing about this photo, the people in it, or any of the circumstances that surround it. Now with that being said, from the perspective of someone whom is just surfing the web looking for info about trout fishing. What does a thread like this say about people who fly fish?


Furthermore:
Trout Unlimited wasn’t started by “Flyfishermen” solely intent on making every body of water in North America “Catch -n- Release”. Sorry to burst anybodies bubble on that one if they felt that way. TU’s Mission is to conserve, protect and restore North America’s coldwater fisheries and their watersheds. (It’s on the website)

Dr. Westell’s vision of trout management was a method that was both morally and biologically correct. I feel that vision has gotten a little distorted into a more self-centered mentality of “what can I do so I can catch more and bigger fish just for the personal satisfaction of doing it”. I've just as many TU members that spin fish, bait fish, and keep trout as those who flyfish, spin fish, bait fish and catch -n- release trout. There is nothing wrong with keeping fish. It may be an immoral and biologically poor idea to have “catch -n- release” as a standard method of conservation.

[FlyFishGA]

TU’s Mission is to conserve, protect and restore North America’s coldwater fisheries and their watersheds. (It’s on the website)

:yawn: How do you justify killing Trout such as those pictured, conserving, protecting and restoring???:confused:

[terry creech]

http://www.superflyfishing.com/flyfishinggames.html


or, how 'bout those Braves?

[Dan1642]

:yawn: How do you justify killing Trout such as those pictured, conserving, protecting and restoring???:confused:

Are you really that naïve?

Look up the words “Carrying Capacity”, “Over Population”,

Actually the Wikipedia Definition for Overpopulation (animals) is very insightful of the point I’m getting at about NOT keeping trout.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overpopulation_(animals)>

[nu2trout]

everyone is calming down a little bit here.
i think the problem might have been the sight of such a "stringer" of fish that large thrown in front of a good number of c&r guys. I have taken fish from stocked rivers and had a nice lunch with friends, but the norm is c&r for me and a lot of other guys here. If there had been a stringer full of 9 and 10 inch trout I doubt you would have gotten the same reaction, but that many PFPs on one day of fishing, and going home to the fryer, is :eek: for a lot of guys here that want to catch them and replace them so the next guy can post a report about :yikes: look at this fish I caught (and then released).

What would a hunter do if he saw a picture of 2 city guys sitting with a picture full of 10-12 pointers, especially if it was very very dark outside?:huh:

[BrandonT]

I wouldn't have kept those fish.... brookies taste much better than pellet fed rainbows.

[Aquadump]

I don't care if they keep all the pigs they want. I'd rather them be there doing that than depleting a wild stream.
On the other hand, you're absolutely right. Wild fish taste much better. But, for the sake of stream management, only I get to keep the occasional fish. Me... not you. Not any of you!:yikes:

[FlyFishGA]

Are you really that naïve? >

No, that's one thing I'm not.....seems to really get you bent easily thinking that N2T and I are though!!!:cheers: ;)

[Talknsht]

Welcome back Dan, please ignore the mess, we have children.

[Talknsht]

I just saw another post looking for advice on creels. Somebody better get over there, I think they're planning on keeping fish.::ke:

[Windknot]

I thought the creel was for beer???:cheers:

[fishmonger]

I just saw another post looking for advice on creels. Somebody better get over there, I think they're planning on keeping fish.

Very clever, any other deep thoughts?

FM

[Guit_fishN]

Speaking of "insecurities".... taken in conjuction with some of the GON comments and avatars....:nervs:


Why is it always necessary to keep extremely large fish and associate that with their worth or the fisherman's ability. My grandfather never understood me throwing back fish...it used to burn him up. Are you less of a man if you actually don't keep fish?

To add insult to injury, mounting them to prove what a great fisherman you are underscores one's insecurities.

The same goes true for mounting a deer's head...is a nine-pt any less better than a 10-pt? Why is the goal to kill a deer with the biggest rack? To mount on the wall...but what is the purpose of that? Has to be solely for bragging purposes. Do they taste better and have some Enzyte-type properties? Are mounts equivalent to rims on 22s? Status?

I guess I don't understand that mentality: big=good=skill and to prove you are skillful, you must surround yourself with your kills. I'm not saying it's wrong, I just don't get it.

*I do understand that big=older=probably more clever...especially for trout, but, if not caught with traditional means, what are you saying by mounting? Killing a 12pt at 300 yds using a scope is much different than killing a 6pt at 20yds with a bow.

In the end though, I guess each to his own. It is interesting to see what makes other people tick.

[fishinbub]

Wow you guys are better than the expensive dish package.:rotfl: Keep it up guys!:pop:

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I just wanna know what that thing is growing out of his arm..:nervs:

[Aquadump]

That thing growing out of his arm is quite obviously an antler.:bang:
He should cut his arm off and hang it on the wall as a trophy.

[Aquadump]

Speaking of "insecurities".... taken in conjuction with some of the GON comments and avatars....:nervs:


Why is it always necessary to keep extremely large fish and associate that with their worth or the fisherman's ability. My grandfather never understood me throwing back fish...it used to burn him up. Are you less of a man if you actually don't keep fish?

To add insult to injury, mounting them to prove what a great fisherman you are underscores one's insecurities.

The same goes true for mounting a deer's head...is a nine-pt any less better than a 10-pt? Why is the goal to kill a deer with the biggest rack? To mount on the wall...but what is the purpose of that? Has to be solely for bragging purposes. Do they taste better and have some Enzyte-type properties? Are mounts equivalent to rims on 22s? Status?

I guess I don't understand that mentality: big=good=skill and to prove you are skillful, you must surround yourself with your kills. I'm not saying it's wrong, I just don't get it.

*I do understand that big=older=probably more clever...especially for trout, but, if not caught with traditional means, what are you saying by mounting? Killing a 12pt at 300 yds using a scope is much different than killing a 6pt at 20yds with a bow.

In the end though, I guess each to his own. It is interesting to see what makes other people tick.

Doesn't like trophy mounts=hasn't killed anything worth mounting and is too insecure to admit it=his wife won't let him. ::ke:

[orange_spokes]

i have to agree to some amount with Guit_fishN, just because you catch a big fish doesnt mean your more skilled or better than everybody else...it just means you had a little more luck than everybody else that day...i think catching a wild fish is just as skilled as catching a big one...but hey to each their own...but i also think if you do catch a beautiful large fish and you have a mount made that it is bragging rights of sorts...or more a less a good story...but i also think that if you want to really do the sport good have picture taken, write down the measurements and a replica made...that way you have your mount and the fish lives to fight another day...just my .02...oh and on the creel post that was mine, will i keep fish yes if i will eat them or knows someone that will eat them...

[rainbowlover]

i could really care about keeping the fish or whatever (i do it quite a bit when i go camping and even regularly every now and then during the season) as long as they caught it by all legal methods, have the proper liscensing and don't go over the limit! if the gentleman in the pictures did that: then congrats to em':cheers:

all im sayin'

landon

[fredw]

Speaking of "insecurities".... taken in conjuction with some of the GON comments and avatars....:nervs:


Why is it always necessary to keep extremely large fish and associate that with their worth or the fisherman's ability. My grandfather never understood me throwing back fish...it used to burn him up. Are you less of a man if you actually don't keep fish?

To add insult to injury, mounting them to prove what a great fisherman you are underscores one's insecurities.

The same goes true for mounting a deer's head...is a nine-pt any less better than a 10-pt? Why is the goal to kill a deer with the biggest rack? To mount on the wall...but what is the purpose of that? Has to be solely for bragging purposes. Do they taste better and have some Enzyte-type properties? Are mounts equivalent to rims on 22s? Status?

I guess I don't understand that mentality: big=good=skill and to prove you are skillful, you must surround yourself with your kills. I'm not saying it's wrong, I just don't get it.

*I do understand that big=older=probably more clever...especially for trout, but, if not caught with traditional means, what are you saying by mounting? Killing a 12pt at 300 yds using a scope is much different than killing a 6pt at 20yds with a bow.

In the end though, I guess each to his own. It is interesting to see what makes other people tick.

:shake: :shake: :huh:

You probably wouldn't enjoy being invited over to my home.

[bronson01]

For the record I let the SHARK in my avatar go because it was spawning season, but Leapord sharks are normally delicious.

[Ted]

Everyone retired?

Too rainy out?

No Braves day games?

Opra a rerun?

A 3-page post to SEVEN pages in like 1/2 a day?

DO YOU PEOPLE NOT HAVE JOBS!!!!

You all make me [CENSORED]!

Landon added his .02 after doing his homework and eating his supper tonight. Good on ya lad!

And how do you make the popcorn eating icons?

Most of all I am PO'd that I didn't get quoted. I mocked. I poked fun. I saw the avatars. I freaked out (inside, just a little). I even gave it abighelyeah!

I DID say Nice Fish though. I do not suck like y'all. All y'all.

TH

[Ted]

I don't know how old Landon is, but it would seem he has a much more mature perspective on this than most people.

I can understand where Dan is coming from. People are way too quick to pull the trigger on things they do not quite understand fully. People are also to quick to "go along just to get along" with what seems to be the popular opinnion. Almost like they are agreeing for the sake of having others acknowledge that they agree with them regardless of whether they understand the subject in order to fullfill a sense of belonging. Not sure if that made much sense!

I too am a little skeptical about the feeding of trout and whether there are any long term adverse affects to the ecosystem as a whole. Historically, whenever mankind has altered some aspect of the environment to suite our needs/desires, sometimes it causes problems.
As a budding Soil/Environmental scientist with a heavy emphasis on Stream and Wetland Ecology, I often find myself looking at all the scenarios, and this one, "pellet feeding trout that don't offer any real benefit to the ecosystem" (except for adding biomass to the ecosystems decomposers of Organic matter when they croak during the heat of the summer) seems to have more downsides than upsides for the ecosystem.

Curse you Julian Byrd for interjecting a well-thought-out post :)

Interesting points.

You'd be surprised how much food gets thrown at stocked environments for trophy fisheries. I figure as long as everything is legal, and as unpalatable as some may find it, to each his own I guess. Oh wait, I am reiterating what Landon said.

TH

[Gatorbyte]

I know who to blame. Baldea. He did it. For sure! ::ke:

I find it interesting that he hasn't had anything to say about this thread.

[terry creech]

that would make him about the only one.

BTW, I just looked at the pictures as a firewall prevents me from doing so at work. I can shoot a deer or a turkey (and mount them too!), but I couldn't have killed those fish. My only trout on the wall are replicas.

[FlyFishGA]

Everyone retired?

Too rainy out?

No Braves day games?

Opra a rerun?

A 3-page post to SEVEN pages in like 1/2 a day?

DO YOU PEOPLE NOT HAVE JOBS!!!!

You all make me [CENSORED]!

Landon added his .02 after doing his homework and eating his supper tonight. Good on ya lad!

And how do you make the popcorn eating icons?

Most of all I am PO'd that I didn't get quoted. I mocked. I poked fun. I saw the avatars. I freaked out (inside, just a little). I even gave it abighelyeah!

I DID say Nice Fish though. I do not suck like y'all. All y'all.

TH


Here's ya quote Ted!:yawn:

[flyfisher8]

the old stick stringer.....classic!

[nu2trout]

well i guess everyone has not calmed down!

i must say that i have done my homework and had my dinner too, so maybe i can make a mature thoughtful post without having my opinion belittled and quoted like i am a presidential candidate.

i must say that i disagree with all of you, every single one of you (apparently this will make me seem smarter to the jack arses that think i am a blabering idiot)

i think the point is people on this board care a lot aout trout, wild as well as pfp's, and they do not want to see them slaughtered. as i said before if it was a stick through the gills of 10 inch fish there would only be an issue with his choice of stringer. maybe what he should do is only keep the number of fish he can hang on his arm thingy you guys keep talking about, that was not very mature was it ...ooops

again, since no one commented on my great analogy i will mention it again, what do you think a bubba would do if he saw two (obvously) city fellars sitting in a picture with several large racked bucks and in the very dark of night to boot?

only about 5oo more posts and this could be as long as the thread about the bots not being allowed on some stretch of river.

dan1642, why did you choose to be the champion for these guy's cause? do you normally have thus kind of fishing productivity in a days fishing? if you do i would love to go with you and be able to get a photo with one or two. i might even be able to get over you keeping one or two.

captain skibum may have said it best with all of his quotes, this is more about what think and feel than you, notice he did not quote anyone saying you.
you should be very careful when you tell someone their opinion is not right! there is no telling damage you might do to them (wow that was almost mature)

i am no environmental biologist, nor do i want to be, but i do understand that large equals age and age equals wisdom in the case of most animals, now i am not saying i am a great fisherman for catching one large fish but i respect that fish for being smart enough to make it to that size.

[flyg]

C'mon, my contentional lobe is starting to atrophy. Let's get a global warming discussion going right away. Thank you.

G

[FlyFishGA]

C'mon, my contentional lobe is starting to atrophy. Let's get a global warming discussion going right away. Thank you.

G

another Atheian....ain't no global warming!!! lol::ke:

[Mountainman36]

do i have to remind you that Rainbow trout are not actually native fishes to Georgia? To me that means they arent as special/dont have as much right to be here. I guess i should go back to England since im not a native American, but you get the idea.

So i missed a lot of the "discussion" as i was working today (no dig on that), but it seems to me that Dan is lumping me into a category that i dont believe i am part of.

Just because i post on this board dont mean im a yuppie/hippie/fish lover.
And GON folks arent Rednecks/Good old boys/fish killers

Their tax dollars on sporting equipment for the Zebco 33 spends the same as my Winston fly rod taxes.

As for killing big fish i kill fish all the time, mostly in my aquariums, but on trout streams too. sometimes on accident, sometimes on purpose. id kill a lot more if i liked to eat em....

So "redneck" in picture has a load of nice fish. He killed em. whats wrong with that? they were put there to be fished for or eaten.

Humans are manipulators of our environment, and do stuff to make our life better. illustrated by this simple question - Where are Cows originally from? Whats their natural Habitat?

Yeah, i dont know either. But the ones in the field down the road exist today because we are gonna eat them, the chickens too. Simple Fact

Those trout arent much different, they were fed pellets so they got big, so we could have more fun catching them, and/or eat them. Simple Fact.

I dont see getting choked up because they got harvested (no different than a cow or 8 point buck). Yeah it would have been nice to catch them a dozen more times, but sometimes fish get caught and eaten by rednecks, instead of caught and realeased by Hippies/yuppies/rednecks. Im a hippie/redneck myself. I even have long hair. but i think its the beard that makes me a hippie.

Have fun with that Dan and anyone else i may have offended.

RPC

[FlyFishGA]

do i have to remind you that Rainbow trout are not actually native fishes to Georgia? To me that means they arent as special/dont have as much right to be here. I guess i should go back to England since im not a native American, but you get the idea.

So i missed a lot of the "discussion" as i was working today (no dig on that), but it seems to me that Dan is lumping me into a category that i dont believe i am part of.

Just because i post on this board dont mean im a yuppie/hippie/fish lover.
And GON folks arent Rednecks/Good old boys/fish killers

Their tax dollars on sporting equipment for the Zebco 33 spends the same as my Winston fly rod taxes.

As for killing big fish i kill fish all the time, mostly in my aquariums, but on trout streams too. sometimes on accident, sometimes on purpose. id kill a lot more if i liked to eat em....

So "redneck" in picture has a load of nice fish. He killed em. whats wrong with that? they were put there to be fished for or eaten.

Humans are manipulators of our environment, and do stuff to make our life better. illustrated by this simple question - Where are Cows originally from? Whats their natural Habitat?

Yeah, i dont know either. But the ones in the field down the road exist today because we are gonna eat them, the chickens too. Simple Fact

Those trout arent much different, they were fed pellets so they got big, so we could have more fun catching them, and/or eat them. Simple Fact.

I dont see getting choked up because they got harvested (no different than a cow or 8 point buck). Yeah it would have been nice to catch them a dozen more times, but sometimes fish get caught and eaten by rednecks, instead of caught and realeased by Hippies/yuppies/rednecks. Im a hippie/redneck myself. I even have long hair. but i think its the beard that makes me a hippie.

Have fun with that Dan and anyone else i may have offended.

RPC

very nice comment....I can respect that opinion....:cheers:

[Ted]

Here's ya quote Ted!:yawn:

Thank you very much, sir!

I got nothing else to add.

CAN this go hyper-nuclear and beat the boating ban thread????!!!!!???

Over-under says this puppy dies out at 96 posts and less than 2,967 views.

NOW I have nothing else to add.

TH

[cucarachafly]

I don't know how old Landon is, but it would seem he has a much more mature perspective on this than most people.

Careful there Julian, Landon will be expecting someone to buy him a beer at the Cherokee Meet and Greet.:drunk: :cheers:
The kid does have some great insight, though. And he was 100% spot on with his opinion, too. So his opinion on this entertaining subject is my opinion as well- for what it's worth.

[Mountainman36]

Im really happy with the last few posts (mine included) shows what this board is about, not what Dan thinks. We all have a bit of fun.

Ted - your gonna be wrong on this post. im gonna send it double hyper-nuclear, we will be over 100 posts, and like 3200 views.

I will see to it myself. Your recent 500 post drive has inspired me.

RPC

[rainbowlover]

Careful there Julian, Landon will be expecting someone to buy him a beer at the Cherokee Meet and Greet.:drunk: :cheers:
The kid does have some great insight, though. And he was 100% spot on with his opinion, too. So his opinion on this entertaining subject is my opinion as well- for what it's worth.

nah you know ill just be brown baggin':rotfl: you know thats the best kind:rolleyes: :D

[Dan1642]

do i have to remind you that Rainbow trout are not actually native fishes to Georgia? To me that means they arent as special/dont have as much right to be here. I guess i should go back to England since im not a native American, but you get the idea.
Now that was funny! Very interesting perspective

it seems to me that Dan is lumping me into a category that i dont believe i am part of.
Quite on the contrary, I would lump you in the category of "those with an open mind"

Just because i post on this board dont mean im a yuppie/hippie/fish lover.
And GON folks arent Rednecks/Good old boys/fish killers.
Their tax dollars on sporting equipment for the Zebco 33 spends the same as my Winston fly rod taxes.
Absolutely, I agree 100%

So "redneck" in picture has a load of nice fish. He killed em. whats wrong with that? they were put there to be fished for or eaten.

Humans are manipulators of our environment, and do stuff to make our life better. illustrated by this simple question - Where are Cows originally from? Whats their natural Habitat?

Yeah, i dont know either. But the ones in the field down the road exist today because we are gonna eat them, the chickens too. Simple Fact

Those trout arent much different, they were fed pellets so they got big, so we could have more fun catching them, and/or eat them. Simple Fact.

I dont see getting choked up because they got harvested (no different than a cow or 8 point buck). Yeah it would have been nice to catch them a dozen more times, but sometimes fish get caught and eaten by rednecks, instead of caught and realeased by Hippies/yuppies/rednecks. Im a hippie/redneck myself. I even have long hair. but i think its the beard that makes me a hippie.

Have fun with that Dan and anyone else i may have offended.

RPC
Oh I'm not offended at all. I could not have said it any better.

[skibum]

By the way, I was'nt picking on anyone I quoted.. In fact I left off Fishmonger by accident.. ::ke: It was just the ones who had last posted got UseD...lol

[Dan1642]

well i guess everyone has not calmed down!

i must say that i have done my homework and had my dinner too, so maybe i can make a mature thoughtful post without having my opinion belittled and quoted like i am a presidential candidate.

i must say that i disagree with all of you, every single one of you (apparently this will make me seem smarter to the jack arses that think i am a blabering idiot)

i think the point is people on this board care a lot aout trout, wild as well as pfp's, and they do not want to see them slaughtered. as i said before if it was a stick through the gills of 10 inch fish there would only be an issue with his choice of stringer. maybe what he should do is only keep the number of fish he can hang on his arm thingy you guys keep talking about, that was not very mature was it ...ooops

again, since no one commented on my great analogy i will mention it again, what do you think a bubba would do if he saw two (obvously) city fellars sitting in a picture with several large racked bucks and in the very dark of night to boot?

Now you are just whining. Is this how you handle criticism. Has anybody ever stood up and said, “Hey, I think you’re full if it, and here is why”. You were not even mentioned in my original post, but yet you decided to interject anyway. Which is fine, you had something say, you said it, and I responded to it. And your retort was:
” I have now seen the error of my ways and think that Dan1642 is correct, we should never post a report again and we should take every fish we can and eat them by any means needed to get them in the frying pan, and we should leave all details of said "catches" to ourselves and no self respecting person that is not insecure will wonder about it. I guess really he is saying that Mr Sago should cancel the board. So, I guess this is good bye to all of the people I have met here since this will be the last day of NGTO. You better hurry to the swap shop too because I will be selling all of my nice fly fishing and conventional gear, along with my fly tying things, so I can do what these guys have done, just catch fish in some mystery spot.

Good bye Ngto Dan1642 has come to tear us down, since we are not as good as him we are doomed to perish. :nervs: :cry:
If you are going to patronize somebody, at least make it interesting. At least try to make a relevant argument instead of throwing out the “I’m gonna tell my mommy on you” defense.

I have chosen not to answer the “Hunter/City fellow” because essentially it’s the same ideology that started this thread wrapped in different package. Apparently so has everyone else.

I know it seems that I’ve singled you out, and that I might be picking on you. But then again, you walked in the door on your own accord. Your third post (12:59 PM) was far different than the infantile ranting of the second post, and I was on the way to thinking differently, but this last post at (9:11 PM) just more whining.

Sorry......I call'em Like I see'em

[Counslrman]

Landon may be the next Leroy Powell. He has the makings of an outdoor writer / humorist.
Tight lines!
Jimmy

[Gatorbyte]

nah you know ill just be brown baggin':rotfl: you know thats the best kind:rolleyes: :D

Oooooh, I'm telling your mom.

[Rocketroy]

Rally around the cause! Ban all QUOTES!.......Save bandwidth! The threat is real! We are experiencing a Sunami of words{Quotes}, designed by those evil ones, out to crash this site! THEY ARE ALL AGAINST US! Beware! sceeeeered!!!!!, I,m Rocketroy

[Mountainman36]

I am so gonna win this. we are definitely gonna surpass 100 posts.

I titally rule.

rpc

[fishmonger]

By the way, I was'nt picking on anyone I quoted.. In fact I left off Fishmonger by accident.. ::ke: It was just the ones who had last posted got UseD...lol

I wondered why you missed a chance to poke at me, it seemed kind of out of character.

Maybahbe ihf youz hab hookd moe feesh dat sidze ::ke: youz wud hab sumpin to say bout da sumject :rotfl::rotfl:

Cmon 100...

FM

[skibum]

You know me, i'm all about giving the finger...hahahahahaha ::ke:

[nu2trout]

Dan1642,
Give me a little credit here ok. To put together posts that whinny one has to spend time planning. I knew I was whinning when I posted it but it was all in fun, just to get your goat so to speak, to keep your featehrs ruffled.

I know I walked into the door and I will accept whatever I get, I hope I always have ( I know there was that one post that some said I took offense too, but I guess it just did not coem across right on the screen, Sorry BH). If you want to jab at me you just keep on keeping on and I will keep smiling as I type:D
I am entitled to my opinion and there are a lot of good thoughts that have been presented here. I think it is good to see what other people think about such situations and to see how they respond, I think it gives us a little better understanding for all of the people on the board.\

You were exactly correct about the hunter/city fellar anaolgy, it is simply the same thing wrapped in a different skin, but arent most anologies?
But seriously if it had been posted on GON or any other pro hunting forum do you not think that some people would have had issue with it?

Oh well, I guess at this point we are simply reaching for the stars and keeping our feet on the ground (Kasey Kasem)

Have a good day, and I will check back later to see how I have been quoted,a nd who else takes issue with my thoughts:p

[lurechucker]

Just got finished tying up Rich's Sage fly rod. It looks great. I can't wait to test it this weekend on the DH. I'll get beat down, but here's some facts to ponder:

Value of the fish is about $3.85/lb on the open market plus delivery. Not priceless. If they had no fins or rubbed fins do the math. Big deal. Yuppies with too much money can buy more. You're supporting local fish farmers each and every time you take one out. Boosting our economy!

Folks in these parts are notorious for stocking 2-5 lb fish out of NC. Once stocked it doesn't take long to feed them up to 5 lbs. It's not a priceless streambred trophy. It's a pellet hog people!

All the trout that folks go crazy over here are all introduced exotics. Rainbows aren't from here. Why defend them so valiantly?

Eating fish is a personal decision that each person makes. Some folks fish solely for the purpose of eating them. Some view them as God's and protect them. It's America people. Don't people have a right to eat or release fish?

There are many folks that purposely stock marginal water each year to raise fish for a fish fry. Some folks like oily mealy fish. I can't say I do, but it's all personal preference. Not breaking the law.

If they taste so much like pellets to the folks defending them are they really part of the natural system or stream chickens put there for our enjoyment?

I think there's alot of people selling the idea of trout fishing. I agree it's fun to catch stockers...which most all our trout whether they're 6" or 6 lbs. Most of the fly addicts catch them on boogers and adams which aren't really legitimate catches based on a hatch. Most of our trout don't even know what an insect is? They hit stuff cause they're used to pellets floating by. They're basically as stupid as the guy who really thought he matched the hatch with his Y2K.

Sometime you do get lucky and catch a fish that's been there a while on a legit fly, but I'll bet most any redneck can catch more than you on corn, gulp or powerbait on any given day. My girlfriend proves this every time we go out, but I still try the fly for fun. Rich can validate that I do catch my share of the fishes plus a few of his.

Why defend exotics so valiantly when you could Back the Brookie instead?

Give the necks and hillbillies a break. They have a right to catch and eat fish...as long as it's on their own property using legal methods. Even if it includes a 202 and some corn.

I've gotta go to work. I look forward to reading your rebuttal. Enjoy bashing or supporting my random thoughts!

[corn chunker]

I don't know what to say about that, maybe he's got some techniques that I haven't learned yet. But I bet he's not a fly-fisherman.

Possibly the most disturbing thing of all in these two pictures is the protuberance growing off the old man's right arm in the picture with the five trout gilled on a stick. What is that? :yikes:

Why shoul:huh: d it matter if hes not a fly fisherman?

[corn chunker]

What’s my opinion? I think you need to get a life. Starting threads like this do nothing but feed the insanity or idiocracy.



Speculative!

Like you’ve NEVER fished close to a feeder, or ever fished over fed fish. I guess your one of those “purist” who only casts dry flies upstream to rising fish.



Ahhhhhhhhhh! Now there’s a non-judgmental voice of reason. How rare that is on this web-site.




Speculative!
You have absolutely no indication (or reason) to even imply that they were poached. So tell me……..who is not a “rocket surgeon”?
FYI, pellets are not that expensive.




Is that a personal opinion? Or as someone who is apparently knowledgeable enough to label someone as a “non-rocket surgeon”, do you have any biological insight to support that claim.




Speculative!




And that proves? What……….anything………..i’m waiting!



Then get out of the kitchen (if you can’t stand the heat)



Speculative! What’s interesting is that you balk at the site of someone holding a fish up in the air, yet your avatar shows you doing exactly the same thing! How Ironic!



WTF! Are you sure you are not a “rocket surgeon” also?


Come on guys find something that is really worthwhile to speculate about and get your panties in a wade over. I catch and release when I want to, I catch and eat when I want to.
PEOPLE KEEP AND EAT FISH!
The same way people kill and eat deer, rabbits, quail, squirrels, turtle, other species of fish, yada yada yada!

OK, do me and the rest of the fishing community (the ones who realize that keeping fish can actually be good for the overall health of the aquatic ecosystem) a favor!
If it bothers you that bad, to the point where you blindly puke up ridiculous specualtions based on circumstantial evidence, then trade in all of your fishing gear on a set of golf clubs. Then you won’t have to worry about anybody keeping/killing anything. And have fun chasing that little white ball around with that metal stick! Unless you think it "Cruel" to run that lawn mower over and chop those poor defense-less little blades of grass into little pieces.

This is ABSOLUTLEY the best post I have ever seen on this forum.

Just telling the truth, I thank you my friend.

[corn chunker]

Judging from those photos, I believe the stink may be about the fact that those two “bubbas”*may be better fishermen than some. They caught all those pigs and they weren't even wearing their overall boot suits. I wonder whether they were baiting hooks with Purina or Ol' Roy?::ke:

That there is funny i dont care who you are.

[orange_spokes]

100 th post hahahaha

[corn chunker]

100 th post hahahaha

I was trying to get it there!

[corn chunker]

I have set here and read through most of these posts,and the condescending manner in which most of you have jumped on the two redneck boys is irritating to me.
I ll tell you this i learned a long time ago that I was a catch nad release fisherman for the most part, but every once in a while I like to keep em, and its attitudes like some of yall's that make me want to go out and catch every fish I can find put em on a stringer and then take pictures of them. Of me after the catch,of me gutting the fish, of me frying the fish,of me sticking a fork int he fish. If you folks will calm your" looking down upon all others that dont do like me attitude" then you draw many more folks into your "way of thinking" but the majority will get as irritated a s I did and you drive them away from what you want to accomplish.
As for some of the "shots " taken at these two gentlemen.....well .....I have seen 12 year olds act a little older

[fishmonger]

This is now pretty much just the annual Bubba thread. :yawn:

Interesting that some see defending Bubba as evidence of being a trout purist, but it seems kind of like Military Intelligence to me. :shake:

FM

[corn chunker]

yep you got :shake: that right.

[orange_spokes]

you hit the nail right on the head fishmonger...why dont we just get back to talking about fishing

[nu2trout]

I think the length of the thread was helped because people were just wondering about the methods used to get the fish, in the first place. I think there are a lot of law abiding citizens here especially when it come to trout fishing and they just became upset when they saw the pictures of these guys with no gear around and the initial thought was they had done something wrong.
It would be nice if we could find out which fly they used, or which brand or corn, etc... and if they paid to, fish were allowed to fish, etc... I think if we had been able to find out some of that many people would have said congrats on the nice stringer, and I hope they taste as good as they look. People are curious and they will speculate when they do not have all of the details needed, and many times even when they do have many facts.

maybe someone that si a member of gon can ask these guys to give a little more information, as to methods and permission to fish, and then I think this thread would die a fast death well before the 500 posts some had hoped for, but if they came on here and refused to tell the facts or if they smelled fishy then it might just reach 500+:huh:

:cheers:

[TheEndlessEnigma]

he caught them ... so what .... honestly judging by the lack of water those fish most likely would have died anyway.... why not fry em?

the drought was certainly no help either .... why not fry em?

why judge for thiings when you have no idea of the facts?

no need to speculate .... it just gets people fighting and acting stupid.

no need to bash on other people and feel like you have to CORRECT them because you may not have the same values on a particular subject.

just because you have the ability to think more and post and quote more doesnt make you right (or wrong) either.

i just saw people get all worked up .... on both sides ... for absolutely nothing.

although it is humorous ... to a point ... was it necessary?

geez so the guys caught some fish ... so what ... fry em up i say .... cause obviously they are not gona be able to through them back with a stick through the gills or holding it by the gills.

those fish were most likely near the end of their life cycle.

[Grateful Sam]

I dont see what the big deal is? Has not everyone on here killed and eaten a fish at some point in their life? I know I have. Its always legal, but I dont mind killing and eating some trout. The only people that have a right to b!tch about this are the people that have NEVER killed and eaten any fish.

:cheers:

Lets all go drink some beer and plan out next trip.

[FlyFishGA]

Lets all go drink some beer and plan out next trip.

Now that sounds like an Idea......:cheers: I started this thread, but I didn't know it would get this crazy!!!!...now I wish it would just go away...lol Too much :hammers: goin on now

[TheEndlessEnigma]

Now that sounds like an Idea......:cheers: I started this thread, but I didn't know it would get this crazy!!!!...now I wish it would just go away...lol Too much :hammers: goin on now

yep ... you struck a nerve ... im sure unintentionally .... and it was not even a topic from this board. whod a thunk it .... although ... i can think of other threads ... that caused some stink. some much much more.

would not sweat it ... some people dont understand humor ... or lightheartedness.

[FlyFishGA]

yep ... you struck a nerve ... im sure unintentionally .... and it was not even a topic from this board. whod a thunk it .... although ... i can think of other threads ... that caused some stink. some much much more.

would not sweat it ... some people dont understand humor ... or lightheartedness.

I can assure you it was, in fact, unintentional....Ohh I know..this one hasn't got as nasty as the thread several months back about the "secret Brook Streams"...now that 'un got nasty quick, fast and in a hurry....where's my beer.....:cool:

[terry creech]

Since the PMs have been energized by this thread as well (Can't take a joke? Seen any of my other posts?) - as I said, I wouldn't have killed those fish but certainly wasn't implying that the two fishermen did anything illegal/unethical, etc. Never referenced them, so let's not get all "speculative" here. I've caught (and eaten) enough snits in my life to stock WW a few times. I just enjoy releasing the few nice ones I manage to catch whether its a C&R stream or not.

And I didn't even mention Bubba. Shoot fire, half my family answers to that.

Think I'm going to change my quote to "Everybody's a bad*** at a keyboard."

Not to further stir the pot or anything,
Creech out....

[bronson01]

Speaking of beer, how legal is it to strap a cooler of beer to my toon?

[Aquadump]

I have set here and read through most of these posts,and the condescending manner in which most of you have jumped on the two redneck boys is irritating to me.
I ll tell you this i learned a long time ago that I was a catch nad release fisherman for the most part, but every once in a while I like to keep em, and its attitudes like some of yall's that make me want to go out and catch every fish I can find put em on a stringer and then take pictures of them. Of me after the catch,of me gutting the fish, of me frying the fish,of me sticking a fork int he fish. If you folks will calm your" looking down upon all others that dont do like me attitude" then you draw many more folks into your "way of thinking" but the majority will get as irritated a s I did and you drive them away from what you want to accomplish.
As for some of the "shots " taken at these two gentlemen.....well .....I have seen 12 year olds act a little older

Play redneck all you want Corn Chucker. I've seen you in your overall boot suit and your fly vest. I've seen that fully stocked fly box. You're just as much of a fly fisherman as the rest of us.:D
There... take that... I just called you a fly fisherman!::ke:

[Windknot]

Devil Dog -
The beer's not bad, but you cannot take bottles. If you take a small floating chest, be doubly certain you have your license, PFD and a clear head, 'cause you will draw official attention. Not that I have personal knowledge of such activities, but...

[Gatorbyte]

I still blame Baldea. he's just afraid to waste his 1000th post on this thread. Come on Brent, you can't stay at 999 forever.

[flyg]

Regarding beer, this is an example of the awful situation that can arise by mixing beer and fishing. I mean, look at this guy, whoever he is. How can he live with himself is what I want to know:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e75/gwsundin/cold_creek/gscopy.jpg

If you insist on drinking beer, for pity's sake, don't be like the idiot below. I mean, look at this; cheap beer, $20 fly reel, and spinning gear. That's just not classy.
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e75/gwsundin/Whites/4-28/beer.jpg

Hope this helps.

G

[Grateful Sam]

Regarding beer, this is an example of the awful situation that can arise by mixing beer and fishing. I mean, look at this guy, whoever he is. How can he live with himself is what I want to know:
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e75/gwsundin/cold_creek/gscopy.jpg

If you insist on drinking beer, for pity's sake, don't be like the idiot below. I mean, look at this; cheap beer, $20 fly reel, and spinning gear. That's just not classy.
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e75/gwsundin/Whites/4-28/beer.jpg

Hope this helps.

G


I happen to know that that guy with the bottles on the river has a really good reputation of not only carrying out the bottles he brings in but usually carries out more than he packs in to begin with. ;) At least he is drinking good beer, not that watered down crap. :cheers:

[Mountainman36]

Way to go guys. Love how much this post did. i was even wrong at the 100 post mark and 3200 views. i didnt even do anything!

Love how the post has shifted to drinking beer. So fitting, considering its redneck vs yuppie.

I drink only imports myself, always out of a frosted mug, at exactly 34 degrees.

if you dont than you are an unsophisticated slob, and i will no longer recognize your existence:D

However, i am somwhat confliced as the first beer i had was while camping, and it was a killians irish red. That smacks of redneck.

I am so confused.

rpc

[fireflyuprising]

I had no idea you could noodle for trout!?

[Counslrman]

Grateful Sam has a good point. No matter how much Rolling Rock, Pete's Wicked Strawberry Blond Ale, Paulaner, or Blue Moon we haul into our campsite, we always take more junk out of the woods. When I fish and the wife & kids (21 & 22 1/2) hike, we always carry a couple of heavy duty lawn & leaf bags to haul out the leavings of those who have littered.
As far as those big fish at the start of the thread, I have known for a long time that you CAN noodle trout if you first soak your hands in some Pilsner Urquel (Slovakian brand). I'll bet that's how those fellows procured their catch.
Tight lines!
Jimmy

[TheEndlessEnigma]

Way to go guys. Love how much this post did. i was even wrong at the 100 post mark and 3200 views. i didnt even do anything!

Love how the post has shifted to drinking beer. So fitting, considering its redneck vs yuppie.

I drink only imports myself, always out of a frosted mug, at exactly 34 degrees.

if you dont than you are an unsophisticated slob, and i will no longer recognize your existence:D

However, i am somwhat confliced as the first beer i had was while camping, and it was a killians irish red. That smacks of redneck.

I am so confused.

rpc


wait ... so if i dont drink beer at all ... would you still not recognize my existence?????

[Mountainman36]

wait ... so if i dont drink beer at all ... would you still not recognize my existence?????

I am just not sure. I will ruminate about your existance for a while.

Wait, if im actively debating your existance then by simple logic you have to exist, because you cant debate the existance of something if it doesnt exist.....right?

oh no, i just went religious.
What an awesome thread this is, it covers all the important things in life....fishing, God, Beer (not in order of relevance mind you) except i saw no mention of Braves Baseball.

Braves Rule

Now its covered everything.
I will no longer post on this thread, as i no longer have anything to add.

rpc

[orange_spokes]

i drink jd so does that mean i dont exist??? if so that me and jack may have to have a little sit down...:cheers:

[terry creech]

I tried to inject a little baseball on Post 50.

[Mountainman36]

I tried to inject a little baseball on Post 50.

you couldnt possibly expect me to read the ENTIRE post now could you.....

im glad you have your priorities right...
rich

[Rusty Fowler]

Y'all keep it coming. This is quite entertaining. Why such a stink about a bunch of PFP's anyway? :huh:

I just read this FB and thought the same thing. ;)

[finless brown]

I just read this FB and thought the same thing. ;)

Hooray!!! I finally got quoted on this thread. Thanks, Rusty!!

[Speck]

Dang I missed this fight all because the firewall at work wouldn't clear the images.

Can you guys start over so I can jump in earlier?

[bronson01]

JD is okay to drink with the beer drinkers as long as its not in a glass bottle going down the river........I just learned that from this thread.

[fishinbub]

Dang I missed this fight all because the firewall at work wouldn't clear the images.

Can you guys start over so I can jump in earlier?

Here you go!

http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65372

[Rocketroy]

JD is okay to drink with the beer drinkers as long as its not in a glass bottle going down the river........I just learned that from this thread.

This ole goat waded the Hooch, before Lanier dam went up!....... Too young to drink, but even at that age,knew that broken glass did not mix with bare feet, or even tennis shoes! Rather than suggest a responsible on-the-rocks-glass-drinker, I hope the message given is that it is not only irresponsible , but is DUMB,and is against the law! Almost every bootle I pull out of a stream is BROKEN! Let,s just shame the practice! There are kids and wet waders in our streams,not to mention the potential for cut waders,boots,toons,and other float devices! DON,T DO IT! Life expectacy has to be in the millions of years! Regards,Rocketroy P.S. drunk fishin, may not be against the law........but the law of GRAVITY rules on water!

[bronson01]

This ole goat waded the Hooch, before Lanier dam went up!....... Too young to drink, but even at that age,knew that broken glass did not mix with bare feet, or even tennis shoes! Rather than suggest a responsible on-the-rocks-glass-drinker, I hope the message given is that it is not only irresponsible , but is DUMB,and is against the law! Almost every bootle I pull out of a stream is BROKEN! Let,s just shame the practice! There are kids and wet waders in our streams,not to mention the potential for cut waders,boots,toons,and other float devices! DON,T DO IT! Life expectacy has to be in the millions of years! Regards,Rocketroy P.S. drunk fishin, may not be against the law........but the law of GRAVITY rules on water!


With all due respect, I have picked up more than my share of bottles and glass and tires and all that other BS that people throw or drop in the stream and rivers. Other than That I really have no idea where you were going with that. But I do take offense to it when someone calls me dumb and irresponsible I dont carry bottles on the river and never have, But If I choose to drink on the river NOBODY is going to tell me I can't, I have fought for yours, mine, and everyone elses right to live a free life in this country. There is something called responsibility and common sense and if you don't have it then you shouldn't be drinking in the first place.

[Milton]

Bronson01-

I believe Rocketroy's "dumb and irresponsible" comment was only referring to taking glass bottles onto the river, not drinking on the river in general.

-Milton

[orange_spokes]

just to put my .02 worth in...its your right to drink where you want to, but its extremely extremely dumb to be on a river or any body of water and to be drinking alcohol...i have been on a river where i saw a guy drink so hard that he was on flat water and just flipped out of his kayak b/c he was to drunk to keep his balance...i found his bottle of JD floating down river i picked it up and put it in the trash...like i said do what you will its your right but dont be the next person thats drowned b/c of to much alcohol

[bronson01]

I think we got the wrong idea now, I drink less than a six pack a week and never more than two ar three at a time...I really dont think I'm going to pass out in the river because of a couple beers. But I completly understand your outlook and am in total agreeance with you. I never meant floating the river to get drunk I just enjoy an adult beverage every now and then, my mistake

[Egg Sucking Leach]

Bump.

C'mon, ya'll ain't gonna just let this thread die, are you?

[Rocketroy]

Speaking of beer, how legal is it to strap a cooler of beer to my toon?

A thoughtful reading of the above,is in order.......as well as my later post,that was taken as; WAAAAAY too personal! I don,t mind the heat generated, by my opinion on this subject,and respect yours as well! The NGTO jury now has to rule........if so inclined! Me,I,m,off to other important enviromental issues, needing my attention! Hope you are too! Regards, Rocketroy

[fwhitaker]

Thats 2 threads started by Athenians that went over #100 post in 2 weeks. Some one should do something about those guys!

and just for the record, the Colorado Greenback Cutty taste better than any of those pfp's!

[fwhitaker]

Now I know they are poachers!

Here is the original photo.




Just as suspected....a Darn PIRATE!

[Gatorbyte]

You ain't right. This needs to be settled on the Dodgeball court once and for all.

I know Captain Curbside is assembling a crew that will destroy the ninny ninjas at the Spring Fling.

[fwhitaker]

The ninja's where awaiting the arrival of the Pirates....any pirate at the Frostebite...no one showed.

Must of been an outbreak of the Scurvey in the close quarters of the ship?

[nu2trout]

there needs to be a dogeball game for sure!
I know captain Curbside is looking into somethings, but keep this in mind. Where will we be playing?
how are we going to recollect the balls if we play outside?
what types of balls are we wanting to play with?
will we be using the official dodgeball rules?
would it be best 3 or 5?

I hit a guy with a baseball the other day just to get ready!

[corn chunker]

maybe someone that si a member of gon can ask these guys to give a little more information, as to methods and permission to fish, and then I think this thread would die a fast death well before the 500 posts some had hoped for, but if they came on here and refused to tell the facts or if they smelled fishy then it might just reach 500+:huh:

:cheers:

Why dont you go join yourself and ask thoise same questions...the guy who started the thread could prolly show you the correct links.

[terry creech]

I'm a GON subscriber, and lots of people on that thread don't buy into these fish being caught either (picked up maybe, maybe poached and the picture taken at a safe location), and certainly not "just south of Helen" unless they were on Jimmy's water. Lesson: pictures are great and usually generate only congratulations, but one really is worth a thousand words and folks will see right through your "story."

And sometimes it just has unintended consequences -
I killed a really big turkey several years ago on some property our church had just purchased but not begun to build on. My pastor mentioned the turkeys and said if was fine to hunt them. I sent a picture of the bird and the score to GON, which did an article on it (largest bird killed in GA that year). Well, the neighboring landowner recognized the bird in the article (4 beards) and I had mentioned it came from Paulding Co. He called the pastor up and asked that we not hunt adjacent to his land. My pastor being, well, a pastor, agreed in order to keep peace with the neighbors. I enjoy GON, but haven't sent a picture of anything in that my kids didn't catch/shoot since.

[bronson01]

congrats on the turkey, sounds delicious

[nu2trout]

I actually tried last week and started the process but was pulled away for something and never went back. I guess I should try and join and ask. has anyone else thought to do this, or already done this?

[baldea]

I've been quiet on this thread and personally I think Hamp (it may not be Hamp, but it sure looks like him in the avatar) nailed it on the GON page.

Here is what he said in his two posts.


"Sorry but the hooch isn't that small (first pic) anywhere below helen. Even at 19 cfs this summer. i spend probably 200 plus days a year there. Judging by the stream size and veg. on the bank I would say one of the branches of the Soque. Goshen Creek being a good possiblity. It's basically all private and has lots of different landowners, some that wouldn't mind letting family or friends keep fish. The other possiblity since there are no rods in the pictures is they picked them up dead or dying when the water went towards 80 degrees this summer. If legal good for them, if not it all works out in the end."

"Well Mr. Short Stop I have personally watched more than one person in the summer at the G.C Jackson Bridge on the Soque net or pick up the dead/dying fish coming down the river and putting them on stringers. It would make one heck of a picture. With 20 plus miles of the Soque/tribs being private I don't think your giving away any spots by saying "private water on the Soque." etc. However that ain't the hooch in background of the first pic I can assure ya."


There are three scenarios that I come up with.

1. If you picked up the fish floating/dying coming down the river, more power to ya, just man up and admit it. Cook em up, they were heading to be biomass for something anyway. I don't think its illegal to pick up dying fish at least.

2. If you poached them off private water, then why on earth would you post a picture of it on the internet? Here's your sign.

3. If you caught em legally, on legal waters, great for you. But, I only know of a few spots that is public in GA that you can catch fish like that. And those few spots I've only seen and caught one or two of that size on any given trip not 5 or 6. But if they did it, more power to you.


Anyway thats my .02 for those who care.

[biggatrout]

I hit a guy with a baseball the other day just to get ready!

I am in training as well, I have began throwing Ninja Stars out my car window as I pass people on the road.

And speaking of dodgeball we had one at the frostbite, and no pirates were in sight. Far as I am concerned it 1-0 Ninjas win.

[corn chunker]

Play redneck all you want Corn Chucker. I've seen you in your overall boot suit and your fly vest. I've seen that fully stocked fly box. You're just as much of a fly fisherman as the rest of us.:D
There... take that... I just called you a fly fisherman!::ke:

I dont know for sure who you are but if you know me well enough you also know that I ve caught MORE trout with a bucket o night crawlers than I prolly ever will with my fly rod. i do love to fly fish all the way down to my traditional kreel and wooden net.:) :D :p

[biggatrout]

I hit a guy with a baseball the other day just to get ready!

I am in training as well, I have began throwing Ninja Stars out my car window as I pass people on the road.

And speaking of dodgeball we had one at the frostbite, and no pirates were in sight. Far as I am concerned it 1-0 Ninjas win.

[mainsj]

Do you folks want to try for 200?

[Gatorbyte]

I'm in, especially at the expense of a few Ninjas

[rainbowlover]

I'm in, especially at the expense of a few Ninjas

dang pirates gettin lost in the mountains and all. can't figure out a bwo hatch on the toccoa :rolleyes: ::ke:

[rainbowlover]

I'm in, especially at the expense of a few Ninjas

can't forget those wierd eyepatches caused by their own smelly stench. that stuff rots out their eyesockets!:p

[Mountainman36]

Do you folks want to try for 200?

Im so gonna post now. Heres hoping we hit 200, and then some.

Lets talk somemore Baseball.

Does the Santana deal realy matter? Will the Braves still get the job done?

I did a guessing game with some friends last year - wins, averages etc

My Guesses for 2008:

Chipper hits .313 with 34 homers, and plays 149 games

Center field hits .245 with 12 homers and 54 RBI

Francoer goes .304 with 19 homers and 109 RBI

Mcann gets injured trajically and only plays 65 games, but goes .310 and 12 homers, 32 RBI. His fill ins go .275 with 12 homers and 49 RBI

Yunel escobar has a bum year and only hits .285 but scores 85 runs

Tex is the man with a .287 AVG, 43 HR and 120 RBI

With the poor production from the catcher and center field position, our #2, #7 Hitters will make up some ground, so Kelly will do well, and the platoon in Left will go well too.

Smoltz wins 17 games
Hudson wins 18 games
Hampton wins 11 games
Glavine wins 12 games
#5 starters go 12-18 with about 5 ERA

We win the division with 94 Games - this means Bulpen, spot starters get 24 wins.

Bulpen gets about 40 saves.

Mets cant do it down the stretch, 91 wins as Pedro gets Broken again, but Santana gets 20 wins.

Phillies go 89-93 wins

WHat do you guys think? or should i start a new thread......

RPC

[fireflyuprising]

I think more homers for Francoeur, but fewer games for Chipper.

[Buck Henry]

Hampton wins 11 games


Hampton win 11 games? I'll bet a Happy Meal that he won't even start 11 games. :rolleyes:

[Mountainman36]

I bet he starts about 20 games. No way he does more than that.

Ill gladly donate a happy meal to your cause if he doesnt.......

You want the boys toy or the girls?

[rainbowlover]

Hampton win 11 games? I'll bet a Happy Meal that he won't even start 11 games. :rolleyes:

happy meals? stop making me hungry and making me think of the good ol days! i say a box of flies is more appropriate!:rotfl:

[Speck]

WHat do you guys think? or should i start a new thread......

RPC

I think you get 3 guys hitting .300, 2 hitting a combined 77 homers, and 4 pitchers with double-digit wins, you're going to win a lot more than 94 games.

I'll buy your stats on Tex and Francouer, but McCann will be under .300 and Chipper won't play enough games to hit 34 homers. Glavine and Smoltz both win 15, Hudson and Hampton 10.

[Mountainman36]

Speck - i can see that (a lot more wins with 77 homers on 2 guys) but, we had three guys in the outfield combine for like 110 (sheffield, Andrew and Chipper) i can see it be a slight reach, but chipper would have played more if he didnt get tripped up at third last year. That was not his fault, and anyone would have been out a few weeks after a collision like that. May have cost us the playoffs honestly. Mccann i have faith in, but he didnt have so much success in the minors on AVG....i still think he'll get it together if he can stay uninjured...

as for wins - your numbers (15,15,10,10 add up to 50, that leaves 45 wins for the spot starters, #5 started and bullpen....i just dont see that, i think huddy goes 15 wins at least, hes gonna be the workhorse, smoltzie will get about 30 starts, hudson closer to 35, thus more wins.

I hope it tuens out well for the Braves....cant wait to start watchin Baseball!!

RPC

[Speck]

We need a new thread. I think we just hijacked this one.

[FlyFishGA]

We need a new thread. I think we just hijacked this one.

Please, by all means...hijack away...lol

[nu2trout]

if it must die it must die, but what I have learned from this thread is that the thread about the boat thing that went over 500 had a lot of really passionate people posting.

[Speck]

if it must die it must die, but what I have learned from this thread is that the thread about the boat thing that went over 500 had a lot of really passionate people posting.

Oh Lord don't let us go there again ...

[TheEndlessEnigma]

not in this lifetime!

i mean this year.

some financial crisis will come and they are gonna trade everyone for used balls and a couple of cracked bats.

as long as upper management is concerned more with bottom line and not winning .... the bottom line will continue to drop along with talent ... and wins

[biggatrout]

Re-Hijacking

A Brave could never stand up to a Ninja.

I once saw a Ninja at a Braves game at batting practice but it was kind of unfair. With the keene sences and their strong power he was hitting like 900. He didnt swing at the sucker pitches.

[corn chunker]

This one ate good.

[Speck]

I hope you at least did him the favor of putting him on a Ritz instead of a crusty old Saltine.

[terry creech]

...so will probably fish Paces depending on the turbidity, and could continue this fascinating and wide-ranging discussion on the river. Mind you, both pirates and ninjas scare me so I'll clam up at the mention of either. I'm pretty sure I'll come home one evening and tell the wife, "Strangest thing happened today, honey. I went fishing and a dodgeball game broke out."

[biggatrout]

... I'm pretty sure I'll come home one evening and tell the wife, "Strangest thing happened today, honey. I went fishing and a dodgeball game broke out."

I hear that one, its already bad enough I have to tell my wife I am going camping/fishing with a bunch of guys I met on the internet. :)

[TheEndlessEnigma]

I hope you at least did him the favor of putting him on a Ritz instead of a crusty old Saltine.

nope captains wafers ... haha

[corn chunker]

nope captains wafers ... haha

nope it was keebler club crackers

[rainbowlover]

nope it was keebler club crackers

i just would of stuck him on a stick and fried him up

yum yum:cheers:

[rainbowlover]

who thinks this picture is controversial? and please feel free to critique my artistic style on microsoft paint ;)

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z233/troutguy/ninjasownall.jpg

[Counslrman]

Looks like a good 'toon flag to me. Maybe you have a Ninja Battle Flag there RBL!
Tight lines!
Jimmy

[bronson01]

The Pirates look like blue hot dogs

[bronson01]

This is way off topic but what isnt in this thread, but while I was floating the Toccoa Sunday I went over this deep pool and down the shoals where I stopped and fished I heard some splashing back upstream to my amazement a guy was standing in his yard chuckin' trout pellets and it looked like a shark feeding frenzy HUGE trout, and hundreds of them in a 20 foot circle .So I took a mental picture and am waitin on May those pellet pigs are gonna take the two weight for a ride. and we found a freshly dead 22-24" bow downstream it still had its colors.

[chef]

go to the GON forum today and look under fishing, then go to the living in north georgia thread, this guy has big brookies on stringers and a large brown and gives away the spot he fished at

[wishin iwas fishin]

go to the GON forum today and look under fishing, then go to the living in north georgia thread, this guy has big brookies on stringers and a large brown and gives away the spot he fished at


http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=174873

That is one sweet looking brown. I wond