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    Pretty cool project that TU took on. It would be great if there was a trophy stream running through the city.
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    Super Sweet!!!

    That is awesome!!! Too bad we are stuck with a poor excuse for a DH simply because nobody wants to be accountable for the river management, ahem looking at you Georgia Power and Morgan Falls. I’m sure that will bring some hate but personally I do not care as long term viability for the river is most important rather than the waste associated with poor management like we have now.
    Does that include a thought of removing dams? No, this is based upon using what we have to help the river because neither dam is gonna be removed in ours or our children’s lifetimes. This is not a knock on the people from the DNR but rather on the antiequated plan for fisheries currently employed. Those folks do the absolute best they can with what they are dictated to use and I couldn’t be more thankful for their service. Reality is we are behind here and we need a change and the people who use the river need to lead the charge. NGTO and TU are two of reasons we have a fighters chance here! Thanks for the inspiration!
    #JBNavy

    "Everyday is a new life to a wise man."
    -Chinese Proverb

    “At sunrise everything is luminous but not clear.”
    -Norman Maclean

    "We are what we hunt."
    -PH

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    • #3
      And?

      And where in Mile High did this project take place?

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      • #4
        Sorry. Thought the link was in a hyperlink

        https://www.tu.org/blog-posts/voices...stream-is-born
        Check out my personal Facebook page Tight Lines Joe of North Georgia and my Instagram Page Tightlinesjoe where I give tips on different tactics, stream reports and pictures of Georgia trout!

        Team Georgia Competitive Fly Fishing Team now has a Facebook Page and an Instagram Page . Check them out for great information, pictures and events!

        New to fly fishing? Check out Monthlyfly.com For localized Match The Hatch Flies mailed to your door!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Philhutch80 View Post
          That is awesome!!! Too bad we are stuck with a poor excuse for a DH simply because nobody wants to be accountable for the river management, ahem looking at you Georgia Power and Morgan Falls. I’m sure that will bring some hate but personally I do not care as long term viability for the river is most important rather than the waste associated with poor management like we have now.
          Does that include a thought of removing dams? No, this is based upon using what we have to help the river because neither dam is gonna be removed in ours or our children’s lifetimes. This is not a knock on the people from the DNR but rather on the antiequated plan for fisheries currently employed. Those folks do the absolute best they can with what they are dictated to use and I couldn’t be more thankful for their service. Reality is we are behind here and we need a change and the people who use the river need to lead the charge. NGTO and TU are two of reasons we have a fighters chance here! Thanks for the inspiration!
          The Chattahoochee is one of the best trout streams in the US. The DH is just a bonus.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by huntfish View Post
            The Chattahoochee WAS one of the best trout streams in the US. The DH is just a bonus.
            FIFY. Sorry, but the Chattahoochee WAS once a Blue Ribbon rated trout stream. It lost that designation a looooong time ago. Your statement is misleadingly incorrect. The DH is a a throwback to when that part of the river WAS an amazing trout fishery! I wish there was more historical documentation around so that people could see what came out of these waters.
            #JBNavy

            "Everyday is a new life to a wise man."
            -Chinese Proverb

            “At sunrise everything is luminous but not clear.”
            -Norman Maclean

            "We are what we hunt."
            -PH

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Philhutch80 View Post
              FIFY. Sorry, but the Chattahoochee WAS once a Blue Ribbon rated trout stream. It lost that designation a looooong time ago. Your statement is misleadingly incorrect.
              Just keep fishing your DH section. Leave that bad water alone.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Philhutch80 View Post
                FIFY. Sorry, but the Chattahoochee WAS once a Blue Ribbon rated trout stream. It lost that designation a looooong time ago. Your statement is misleadingly incorrect. The DH is a a throwback to when that part of the river WAS an amazing trout fishery! I wish there was more historical documentation around so that people could see what came out of these waters.
                Really? You're crapping on the Hooch? The same Hooch that recently kicked out a couple of pretty nice fish for you, that you hold up when you need some trout cred?

                The Chattahoochee River. Love it or leave it.

                FM
                The tug is the drug!

                "Grow a pear!" - Groundpounder

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by fishmonger View Post
                  Really? You're crapping on the Hooch? The same Hooch that recently kicked out a couple of pretty nice fish for you, that you hold up when you need some trout cred?

                  The Chattahoochee River. Love it or leave it.

                  FM
                  It's certainly not inconceivable that a river can regularly pump out really nice fish and still be a shadow of its former self. Loving our fisheries doesn't require us to be blind to faults in their management, or to declines in their quality.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by huntfish View Post
                    Just keep fishing your DH section. Leave that bad water alone.
                    @huntfish, I see you are just trying to incite something for no reason. Wanna clue us in as to why please?
                    #JBNavy

                    "Everyday is a new life to a wise man."
                    -Chinese Proverb

                    “At sunrise everything is luminous but not clear.”
                    -Norman Maclean

                    "We are what we hunt."
                    -PH

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by fishmonger View Post
                      Really? You're crapping on the Hooch? The same Hooch that recently kicked out a couple of pretty nice fish for you, that you hold up when you need some trout cred?

                      The Chattahoochee River. Love it or leave it.

                      FM
                      Dude just stop. Seriously. I am allowed to have an opinion, how you interpret said opinion is in your own jaded view I cannot control. I never crapped on the river at all. As Dylar said it is a shadow of it's former self and that is what I pointed out. If you cannot admit that the river has changed and declined through a course of events and time from the 80's to now then you truly have some self serving blinders on. So do yourself a favor and 'grow a pear' and take the blinders off. I never crapped on the river or the DNR folks who manage the river, just the plan being used for management because it is one with very little monetary or public support compared to what is needed. Stories like this show where grassroots groups ( LIKE NGTO!!!) can and do make a difference, yet it is more important for you to knock me for my excitement for that? Come on man.
                      #JBNavy

                      "Everyday is a new life to a wise man."
                      -Chinese Proverb

                      “At sunrise everything is luminous but not clear.”
                      -Norman Maclean

                      "We are what we hunt."
                      -PH

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by fishmonger View Post
                        Really? You're crapping on the Hooch? The same Hooch that recently kicked out a couple of pretty nice fish for you, that you hold up when you need some trout cred?

                        The Chattahoochee River. Love it or leave it.

                        FM
                        Hold my beer.

                        Gotta agree to a degree here. As often as we disagree someone should probably screenshot this.

                        Just leave the the flipping DH alone. Let people have their fun.

                        Do we really want it gone? Think of all the wonderful, thought provoking arguments we wouldn't get to have. It's there to tickle a few peoples fancy and supplement the feed of the convicts.

                        The blue ribbon designation is irretrievable.

                        Poor urban planning, impervious paving, and thermal pollution have wrecked it. Some fools released smallmouth and spots there, introducing genetics that have assured we will never have pure shoal bass (the natives) there again. There are stocked fish that only very, very, very rarely (if ever) would be found this far up from the Gulf that are the apex predators. Chemical and other types have run off to the point we can't even eat things from it.

                        How about we go with the lower cost option of utilizing the outstanding forage base to try to redeem it as a bass fishery that was once there? As this would actually operate within the parameters of the temps and the state of Morgan Falls.

                        Many of the factors that led to the demise of the fishery WILL NOT AND CANNOT BE CHANGED!

                        Impervious surfaces and thermal pollution?
                        Atlanta can't fix a friggin pothole. Good luck getting them to repave everything. This is also completely ignoring the traffic nightmare that would grip our city for a decade.

                        Siltation and the like?
                        It's not feasible to stop the growth of the suburban area, and no trout is going to get in the way of that. Even if BMP's are followed, Cajun hops in the TracHoe at a major site and knocks out the check dam in the rainstorm and your whole Erosion Control plan is screwed.

                        Georgia Power and Atlanta Breaking/Dredging MF?
                        Georgia Power cannot even get my bill right.

                        Also if you know the cost associated with the straightforward sitework of a small commercial building, you know how astronomically high even attempting to develop a program to attempt to take a stab at it would be.

                        "Dear GA Power Customers. We are jacking your rates up by 30% to cover silt removal in Bull Sluice. We know you understand" Think of how that would play with the populace?


                        Look I am on a soapbox here, but it basically boils down to fisherman are a fractional minority of the population, and trout fisherman (In GA) are a fractional, fractional minority of the aforementioned minority. I challenge you to make a decision with your clientele at your place of business to serve .2% of the clientele at cost to the other 99.8%. Not good business.

                        Do I want it managed better? Absolutely.

                        Am I realistic that the river below MF is a genetic soup, with huge problems, and a huge forage base that will never be able to support a cold water year round trout fishery again? Absolutely.

                        Do I think we should pretty much turn all management efforts and resources for trout from below MF to the upper section to try to place a priority of a trophy brown fishery? Absolutely.

                        Am I 100% sure that the average size, condition, numbers, forage, and young of the year survey for the TailWater agreed that the browns are in the best shape in a decade or two? Absolutely


                        The Hooch seems to be a good enough place for me to wrangle Brown Trout of dang near mythical size on a fairly regular basis so I am fine with it.
                        I like em big fat and sloppy.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Philhutch80 View Post
                          @huntfish, I see you are just trying to incite something for no reason. Wanna clue us in as to why please?
                          How so? You complain about the hooch and mismanagement. Seems highlight of the articles is seeing folks in a urban setting catching quality wild trout, You have that on the Hooch. Removing Morgan Falls is not going to increase the DH success. The water temps just aren't available for a viable trout habitat and that's true for most DH waters in GA. DH didn't come about in GA to create better habitat, it's there to create recreation and fishing opportunities. The hooch is a great fisheries. Enjoy what you have

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                          • #14
                            I don’t know if the changes are due to mismanagement, or, more likely, just the inevitable result of growth and "human progress".

                            But I do know there were magical evenings back in the 80’s when I could slip away from work on late spring evenings to Cochran shoals, and cast to (& catch) beautiful healthy 16-18” trout rising to the river surface thick with caddis.

                            Makes me smile thinking about it.

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                            • #15
                              Rivers and Time

                              My late father-in-law was an Atlanta native and lived his entire life there. He was born about 1910 on the spot where second base was in the old Fulton County stadium. Atlanta that year was about the size of Asheville now, roughly 100,000 and the Chattahoochee was a flow of sludge and other nasty stuff due to inflows of raw sewage, industrial effluent, and slaughter houses along the river. Think a city of 100,000 cannot pollute a river the size of the Chattahoochee? Asheville came close to accomplishing this before the city woke up and cleaned up.

                              The 'Hootch is both a contributor to, and victim of, growth in the Atlanta metro. And mostly unfettered growth as growth is generally seen as good business. Among other things this also leads to water shortages in hot dry summers and it looks like those will continue. Lanier is not the source of Atlanta's water, the actual source is the 'Hootch and the flows in the river will be driven by city thirst, not the fish or any other life form in the river.

                              Someone already pointed out the encroachment of lawns and asphalt impacting the river and the odds of that being reversed are to all practical purposes, zero. Atlanta metro does not have the political will to protect the river other than to look pretty out the glass walls of riverside mansions and water running when they turn the faucet. So you can pretty much forget any trout in any stretch of the 'Hootch where they do not already thrive.

                              But what can be accomplished is zealous protection of the status quo! If you do not, then those stretches of water where the trout thrive now will also be gone. Combined, all the conservation organizations have a strong voice - consider the impact the Camo Coalition has displayed in the past. Gather to discuss what can be preserved and create a master conservation plan. The Riverkeeper has excellent skills creating large scale planning. Calculate the cost of loss of this water to the local economy and keep in mind it's not just fish! Those folks with the mansions along the river do not want to look out and see mud flats and have to close their windows due to the stench. And while it may sound counterproductive, talk with the construction companies and point out that without the preservation of clean water there will be no drinkable water leading to no growth and no construction money.

                              Finally, keep a close eye on Washington DC. The current administration has already reduced federal land holdings via National Monument reductions and they could reduce federal land control in other areas like the lands bordering the 'Hootch. A few whispers in the right ears, a nice campaign contribution (remember no limits on those anymore) and the feds decide to "return to the state" lands along the 'Hooch for the state government to control. But lack of interest in trout coupled with a few more whispers and donations and state government announces they are selling that land to make up budget shortfalls.

                              Right now it is still your river and your choices. I recommend the beginning of a focused effort on preservation.

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