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  • #31
    Originally posted by splatek16 View Post
    I wonder if the original PhD research is still available and if there have been meaningful follow up research?



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    Here you go...

    https://scholar.google.com/scholar?u...92844784581556

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    • #32
      I predict that fishing Dukes with barbless Rapala's will become all the rage.

      Who knew?
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      Buck Henry
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      • #33
        Good data backed info here. However, I think the bigger issue here is improper fish handling practices. Dare I say that in my experience, I’ve witness far worse fish handling from fly fishermen than spin fishermen.

        I.E. the purest without a net raw dogging trout. Or the guy fishing barbless plopping trout back into the water from a foot or 2 above the surface rather than letting them regain their bearing, think “oh I’m fishing barbless so that fish will live.”

        Vs. Someone who is fishing barbed and again this is from what I’ve seen, will rarely even touch the fish, will simply pull out the hook with some pliers without ever having to handle it.
        We are the music-makers,
        And we are the dreamers of dreams,
        Wandering by lone sea-breakers
        And sitting by desolate streams;
        World losers and world forsakers,
        On whom the pale moon gleams.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by GoutUnlimited View Post
          Good data backed info here. However, I think the bigger issue here is improper fish handling practices. Dare I say that in my experience, I’ve witness far worse fish handling from fly fishermen than spin fishermen.

          I.E. the purest without a net raw dogging trout. Or the guy fishing barbless plopping trout back into the water from a foot or 2 above the surface rather than letting them regain their bearing, think “oh I’m fishing barbless so that fish will live.”

          Vs. Someone who is fishing barbed and again this is from what I’ve seen, will rarely even touch the fish, will simply pull out the hook with some pliers without ever having to handle it.

          A properly balanced flyrod across the traps is shown to reduce trout mortality by 3.203%
          I like em big fat and sloppy.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Buck Henry View Post
            I predict that fishing Dukes with barbless Rapala's will become all the rage.

            Who knew?
            Of course it will!

            What's better than catching fish in an unskilled, cheap, lowbrow way?

            It's better when the LEO checks you for 20 minutes, then ignores the three fly fisherman within 300 feet.

            It's even better when after that you try to help out the people looking at you in disdain with fly recommendations.

            It's the best when you see the steam come out of that guys ears when you borrow your buddies nymphing rod and whack two in short succession.
            I like em big fat and sloppy.

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            • #36
              My last trip to Dukes, I watched a fly fisherman "playing" a huge brown from the pool below the pavilion at the uppermost end. He said he had to wear it down cause he was fishing 6X. He probably fought the fish for at least 5 minutes, and then kept it out of the water for another two minutes while he and his buddy took multiple pictures.
              I had to bite my tongue to not tell them they should have just gone ahead and put the dying fish on a stringer.

              Most of the studies Iíve read suggest the major factors in C&R mortality are most importantly the amount of time the fish is out of water, and secondly over-playing the fish. The only significant factor with barbed hooks is the increased time it takes to remove the hook.

              I almost never use anything smaller than 5X, and if I canít get the fish in quickly... it breaks off, which is ok. I donít see any reason to lift a big fish out of the water for a pict - either keep it in the net half submerged, or cradle it in both hands again half submerged so the water helps support the body.

              Really big trout are just too special a creature to kill just so you can have another fish pict to post on the Internet.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by browniez View Post
                What's better than catching fish in an unskilled, cheap, lowbrow way?
                Hey, I never said one bad word about fishing for trout with treble hooked lures. My attitude has always been; if it is legal then have at it.
                Message sent from your mom's bedroom during pillow talk

                Buck Henry
                Simple Goat Herder
                Former NGTO President
                Hall of Fame Member

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                • #38


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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Buck Henry View Post
                    Hey, I never said one bad word about fishing for trout with treble hooked lures. My attitude has always been; if it is legal then have at it.

                    You are quite correct!

                    It was quite clear from your statement you have nothing against said lures.

                    Hey you have the Darth Vader force, don't you just levitate them out?

                    Next thing we know we will be doing pay for publication research on Midichlorian Force Interaction studies on trout mortality.
                    I like em big fat and sloppy.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by GoutUnlimited View Post
                      Good data backed info here. However, I think the bigger issue here is improper fish handling practices. Dare I say that in my experience, I’ve witness far worse fish handling from fly fishermen than spin fishermen.

                      I.E. the purest without a net raw dogging trout. Or the guy fishing barbless plopping trout back into the water from a foot or 2 above the surface rather than letting them regain their bearing, think “oh I’m fishing barbless so that fish will live.”

                      Vs. Someone who is fishing barbed and again this is from what I’ve seen, will rarely even touch the fish, will simply pull out the hook with some pliers without ever having to handle it.
                      The biggest variable impacting angling mortality is water temperature. At 58*, you can punt a trout to the next drainage and it will be fine. At 68*, it will die from an angry look.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Dylar View Post
                        The biggest variable impacting angling mortality is water temperature. At 58*, you can punt a trout to the next drainage and it will be fine. At 68*, it will die from an angry look.
                        Yep.

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                        • #42
                          Is there a reason Dukes Creek is catch and release?

                          If people are regularly violating the special regs doesn't it defeat the purpose of them?

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                          • #43
                            Lots of people ignore the rules at Dukes. I caught about an 18-19" rainbow in section 1 several years back that had a snelled, barbed baitholder hook stuck in its throat with about 6" of line hanging from its mouth. I have found worm boxes and corn cans along most sections of Dukes. I haven't fished it in about 5 years but it sounds like nothing has changed.
                            Never to cold to be on the water!

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by TitanTim2004 View Post
                              Lots of people ignore the rules at Dukes. I caught about an 18-19" rainbow in section 1 several years back that had a snelled, barbed baitholder hook stuck in its throat with about 6" of line hanging from its mouth. I have found worm boxes and corn cans along most sections of Dukes. I haven't fished it in about 5 years but it sounds like nothing has changed.
                              I must have dropped my can of corn after eating my cheese and corn sandwich which I take to all the streams that are artificial only.

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                              • #45
                                "That's not bait Ossifer, that is my lunch!"

                                Message sent from your mom's bedroom during pillow talk

                                Buck Henry
                                Simple Goat Herder
                                Former NGTO President
                                Hall of Fame Member

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