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  • #16
    Smiths is a tailwater in essence so I think it could be done. Not necessarily saying fishing will be better but it can be done with heavy flies or split shot and brighter bigger patterns. The higher and turbid water might help catch rates as they'll be less people out there and they won't spook as easily.


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    • #17
      Originally posted by Lumis View Post
      I was hoping to go this Thursday

      How bad is it atm?
      The hooch above Helen was still rockin real' high and fast today. Smith's should be plenty fine by Thursday.

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      • #18
        Smith should be good to go. Stained water helps. Think down and dirty.....splitshot are your new best friends.
        BE DIFFERENT AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE! <

        Exodus 29:18
        Then burn the entire ram on the altar. It is a burnt offering to the LORD, a pleasing aroma, a food offering presented to the LORD. God loves BBQ!

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        • #19
          Sounds like ya'll really want me to catch something

          What size split shot do I need? Don't wanna get something too heavy.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Lumis View Post
            Sounds like ya'll really want me to catch something

            What size split shot do I need? Don't wanna get something too heavy.
            I'd say any regular sized split shot would work. If you really want to dial it down get one of those variety packs at walmart. Add enough to tick bottom, but not enough to get hung up every drift.

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            • #21
              One last question (I'm lying).

              Line setup? I bought a 7.5 foot leader today. Attached a tippet ring to it. How much tippet should I add to that?

              From what I hear, the creek isn't very deep. Too much leader/tippet sounds impossible to cast on a small creek.

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              • #22
                I'd say you should move that tippet ring up that leader a bit and add the corresponding amount of tippet to get 7.5'. But that's only if you have other leaders disposable for use and you keep that as your small stream leader


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                • #23
                  I'm not a fan of tippet rings. If you have a new 7.5 ft tapered leader, I would tie directly to the leader, or add maybe a foot of 5x. You can add split shot 6 inches or so above your fly. Add shot until you feel your fly just barely bumping along the bottom. You may also want to use an indicator, like a thing-a-ma-bobber, you can control your depth as well as see takes a little easier. Most runs you can fish from the bank, and you can actually keep your line tight from rod tip to the water, what was called "high stickin'" back in the day.
                  Don't overlook undercut banks and outside bends.
                  BE DIFFERENT AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE! <

                  Exodus 29:18
                  Then burn the entire ram on the altar. It is a burnt offering to the LORD, a pleasing aroma, a food offering presented to the LORD. God loves BBQ!

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Sighter View Post
                    I'd say you should move that tippet ring up that leader a bit and add the corresponding amount of tippet to get 7.5'. But that's only if you have other leaders disposable for use and you keep that as your small stream leader
                    I have a tapered leader that came with the fly combo. But I knotted my line up so much that I slowly reduced the leader to 5ish feet. You suggest I use that instead and add like 2-3 feet of tippet?

                    I kinda wanna do the whole 2 nymphs at once thing but I'm not sure how I'd like to space them out.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by fishnpreacher View Post
                      I'm not a fan of tippet rings. If you have a new 7.5 ft tapered leader, I would tie directly to the leader, or add maybe a foot of 5x. You can add split shot 6 inches or so above your fly. Add shot until you feel your fly just barely bumping along the bottom. You may also want to use an indicator, like a thing-a-ma-bobber, you can control your depth as well as see takes a little easier. Most runs you can fish from the bank, and you can actually keep your line tight from rod tip to the water, what was called "high stickin'" back in the day.
                      Don't overlook undercut banks and outside bends.
                      Why do you dislike tippet rings? I don't want to tie directly to the leader because I'm probably going to get snagged a lot and quickly lose my leader.

                      I do plan to use a thingamabobber as I bought a few with the rod.

                      So I assume you're saying full leader TO 1' tippet TO fly? With spilt shot 6 inches above .

                      How far up does the bobber go?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Lumis View Post
                        How far up does the bobber go?
                        Just enough so the fly floats in the water column and barely ticks the bottom. You'll be adjusting it a fair bit to allow for different depths in the creek.

                        You might try adding a length of tippet - say 12 - 16 inches - above the fly and add the split shot to that length. So if the shot gets hung up you have a better chance of saving the fly. An example:

                        "What's his offense?"
                        "Groping for trouts in a peculiar river."
                        ― William Shakespeare, Measure for Measure

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Trout8myfly View Post
                          Just enough so the fly floats in the water column and barely ticks the bottom. You'll be adjusting it a fair bit to allow for different depths in the creek.

                          You might try adding a length of tippet - say 12 - 16 inches - above the fly and add the split shot to that length. So if the shot gets hung up you have a better chance of saving the fly.
                          I like this concept a lot. I've always hated splitshot taking my hooks. I guess the idea is that the overhand knot takes enough pressure when being snagged to undo itself, releases the weight, and your fly is free. I like it!

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                          • #28
                            I believe tying a tippet straight to leader is stronger because of 2 things..
                            1. One knot instead of two
                            2. Triple or double surgeon is stronger than tying to a ring.

                            And if you hang up and lose tippet and fly, what keeps you from losing the ring? A ring is just one more piece to keep up with.
                            BE DIFFERENT AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE! <

                            Exodus 29:18
                            Then burn the entire ram on the altar. It is a burnt offering to the LORD, a pleasing aroma, a food offering presented to the LORD. God loves BBQ!

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                            • #29
                              The answer is: blonde, redhead, or brunette. Try them all and settle on the one that works best for you and you develop confidence with.

                              I like a tippet ring because I can quickly tie a "tag" section with a davy knot to the ring and one to the fly in about 25% of the time it takes me to tie a surgeons and then a davy to the fly. I stink at surgeons and this was my work around.

                              During a day when you are changing flys frequently or tangles, my opinion is the tippet ring is stronger. What does one do with the tag section when it is too short and needs to be replaced? Tying a surgeons requires another knot for the new tag and clipping the old tag, but leaving the original knot. With each additional knot the line theoretically is weakened. If you are tying the dropper to the bend of the hook this argument becomes mute.

                              There is a great sticky on this subject.

                              Also here is a hack for tying a orvis knot instead of the surgeons for the tag.

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW8BV3ZeaoE

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                              • #30
                                Update: Smith was still rolling high this morning, but has come down a bit since yesterday. Might be ok to fish, just prepare accordingly.

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