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  • #16
    Forum posts have done far more damage to peoples fishing solidarity than guides ever will.
    And to the OP, to be so anti-social why are you posting on a social forum?

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    • #17
      I happen to like the guide I'm talking about, very nice guy. What if the next time you show up at that hole those 4 guys and 4 of their friends are there and the hole above it and the hole below it and you know it's a direct result of the guided trip earlier? Not to mention the 50 other clients he's taken there.
      So... were there 50 guys there on this trip? Or were there 8 guys there on this trip? Or were 6 guys there on this trip?
      I am trying to understand if this is a new guide and this was first set of clients and first trip to this spot and we are hypothesizing that 8 guys will now be at this spot every time you fish there. Or is this a seasoned guide who has taken 54 clients there and now there are always 4 fisherman to a hole?

      Being the slow simple type I need more information before I can really make a comment. And I need to know the facts from the hypothesizing.

      Honestly I go to creeks and rivers mentioned on this forum and in books and sometimes I'm all alone and sometimes I see half dozen or so guys spread out. And some of them I have the pleasure of speaking with and enjoyed the conversation.

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      • #18
        Losing Public Waters?

        We are losing public waters in that we are losing access to our public waters. Moreover, there are greedy types who would love to take water rights private. Recall a little texas company named Enron? They had a plan called Blue Gold to get ownership of public water at no cost to them and sell water rights to communities, agriculture and industry. So far, ALL water remains public water.

        Again, the real issue is access. In Montana my cousin calls it a 10-2-10. Where ranchers used to allow anglers to park and walk across the pasture to fish, there are now McMansions (10,000 sq ft - 2 people - 10 weekends a year) where the owners do not want anglers spoiling their view so right after they set up the cappuccino maker they put up the no trespassing signs.

        And this situation also occurs on our southeastern streams and will worsen without some mitigation in the laws regarding access. Unfortunately, this is a state by state effort and typically gets little support among legislators.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by BUBBA CORNCHUCKER View Post
          304 views and no one has an issue with this? Not one more selfish solitude lover? You guys are saints, and true lovers of humanity. I am humbled. I hope that every time you hike in, there will be somebody already there. From what I am reading that should make your day. pfffft
          I hate guides!!!
          Some fishermen see no fish and foolishly
          believe that the river is empty.
          Henry Van Dyke

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          • #20
            Dam you Guides, Dam you all to hell!

            Dennis C...""Giving Stripers everywhere a bad day!!""

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            • #21
              Originally posted by JOHNKIES View Post
              We are losing public waters in that we are losing access to our public waters. Moreover, there are greedy types who would love to take water rights private. Recall a little texas company named Enron? They had a plan called Blue Gold to get ownership of public water at no cost to them and sell water rights to communities, agriculture and industry. So far, ALL water remains public water.

              Again, the real issue is access. In Montana my cousin calls it a 10-2-10. Where ranchers used to allow anglers to park and walk across the pasture to fish, there are now McMansions (10,000 sq ft - 2 people - 10 weekends a year) where the owners do not want anglers spoiling their view so right after they set up the cappuccino maker they put up the no trespassing signs.

              And this situation also occurs on our southeastern streams and will worsen without some mitigation in the laws regarding access. Unfortunately, this is a state by state effort and typically gets little support among legislators.
              I am not sure about the situation in N. Georgia, but I do agree with you about the situation in some parts of Montana and Colorado. I used to fish in the Bitterroot valley a lot in the past.. It is almost all private now and you need a guide for access. Same for the Frying Pan in Basalt, CO. This river is near my families home and I have fished it for over 20 years. Recently, there is so little public fishing that you are a** to elbow with multiple anglers unless you go near the reservoir, which is also too crowded. You can still find solitude and trout if you are willing to travel and hike to remote streams. But, it is getting more difficult.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by bookkeeper View Post
                I agree with the sentiments posted. I do have a problem with our public resources (stocked fish) swimming into so much private water. Eventually we may not have access to much public fishing at all. This is a much bigger threat to the sport being open and and affordable to the average person than sharing water with guides who work hard to help others learn and enjoy our sport.
                The old country club golfers had the same attitude because they didn't want to share their fairways with kids and now their sport is just about dead.
                Bro, not quite sure golf is anywhere close to dead and not quite sure what you're going for in regards to the " country club golfers " sharing their fairways w/ kids? Ton of public golf courses all over the place. Not a member of a country club but who cares if someone wants to join one? That may be their thing. Not mine but i've snuck onto a fair share of private courses and fished for their bass. Pond bass are the best. To each their own...
                Once in awhile you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right... R. Hunter

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by BUBBA CORNCHUCKER View Post
                  304 views and no one has an issue with this? Not one more selfish solitude lover? You guys are saints, and true lovers of humanity. I am humbled. I hope that every time you hike in, there will be somebody already there. From what I am reading that should make your day. pfffft
                  I've never, ever had a problem finding a place to fish without other people around. Sounds like you're fishing the Tooga DH and complaining because there are people on the water. Sorry, but I have little sympathy. I don't understand how you expect solidarity AND to catch fish that were stocked with someone else' tax money.

                  PS. If you worked a little harder, you can still find places to catch stockers AND have the stream to yourself.
                  The first thing scripture tells us about man is that we're made in the image of God. The second thing it says is that man should have dominion over the fishes of the sea.

                  The right flies at the right time: Monthly Fly

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                  • #24
                    Iíve fished a lot of streams over many years, occasionally with a guide, but the vast majority on my own. Iíve never once been treated rudely by a guide, or seen one act rudely towards non-clients. Not saying it doesnít happen, but it has to be rare.

                    In fact, if we all showed each other the courtesy and respect on streams that guides demonstrate, our fishing experiences would be far more pleasant.

                    For me, the big issue for future generation fishermen is stream access.
                    The Fryingpan was mentioned in an above post; Driving along the road within a rod's length of great water and No Tresspasing signs every 10 yards. I hope itís not where we are headed.

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