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    To make finding the classic cane history threads easier going forward, I have created this sticky thread to contain links to all of the posts to date. As new cane history articles are posted, I will update the below list of links.

    1. HL Leonard: http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/foru...ad.php?t=65578

    2. Edwards Family: http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/foru...ad.php?t=65705

    3. E.F. Payne & Son: http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/foru...ad.php?t=65763

    4. Wes Jordan: http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/foru...ad.php?t=65888

    5. Granger Rod Company: http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/foru...ad.php?t=66004

    6. Bill Phillipson: http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/foru...ad.php?t=66122

    7. Paul Young: http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/foru...ad.php?t=66228

    8. Lyle Dickerson: http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/foru...ad.php?t=66346

    9. Harold "Pinky" Gillum: http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/foru...ad.php?t=66470

    10. Horrock & Ibbotson: http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/foru...ad.php?t=66631

    11. Wright & McGill: http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/foru...ad.php?t=66889

    12. James Heddon & Sons: http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/foru...ad.php?t=67019

    13. South Bend Bait Company: http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/foru...ad.php?t=67259

    14. Uslan Rod Company: http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/foru...ad.php?t=67473
    Last edited by Buck Henry; 06-08-08, 09:23 AM.
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    Buck Henry
    Simple Goat Herder
    Former NGTO President
    Hall of Fame Member

  • #2
    Hey Buck would montague fit in the histiry?
    "Fortunately, I'm adhearing to a pretty strict,uh,drug,uh regimen to keep my mind ....you know limber" The Big Lebowski-1998

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    • #3
      Yes, but I never did get around to doing a separate piece on them. Montague was one of the leading makers of fly rods for many years and produced a very large variety of bamboo fly rods. But I have heard some say that Monty used the same tapers over and over again and just kept coming up with different names for the rods they sold. They purchased the Chubb rod company in the very early 1900's and later moved that equipement and inventory to their plant in Massachusetts where they stayed until they went out of business in the 1950's. Montague was not known for legendary tapers or rods that are prized by collectors. And most of their rods were like most production rods of the time, a bit on the heavy side with not enough guides and with cheap hardware. But they made very serviceable fishing rods and many have survived like yours and are fished today.
      Message sent from your mom's bedroom during pillow talk

      Buck Henry
      Simple Goat Herder
      Former NGTO President
      Hall of Fame Member

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      • #4
        gary g. williams rods

        well once again, i wonder what happened to gary, he just cant be found anymore, he made me a beautiful rod in 1993,an he just dont show on his webdeal,i had to get another guy to put new cork on it where i nicked with a broken reel seat piece from an old battenkill,,anyone know of gary, lemme know,,his rods were entirely hand split an planed,,an nuthin electrical used ezxcept a fan, o k ,,peace everyone,,i am haunted by waters,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Buck Henry View Post
          To make finding the classic cane history threads easier going forward, I have created this sticky thread to contain links to all of the posts to date. As new cane history articles are posted, I will update the below list of links.

          1. HL Leonard: http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/foru...ad.php?t=65578

          2. Edwards Family: http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/foru...ad.php?t=65705

          3. E.F. Payne & Son: http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/foru...ad.php?t=65763

          4. Wes Jordan: http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/foru...ad.php?t=65888

          5. Granger Rod Company: http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/foru...ad.php?t=66004

          6. Bill Phillipson: http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/foru...ad.php?t=66122

          7. Paul Young: http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/foru...ad.php?t=66228

          8. Lyle Dickerson: http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/foru...ad.php?t=66346

          9. Harold "Pinky" Gillum: http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/foru...ad.php?t=66470

          10. Horrock & Ibbotson: http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/foru...ad.php?t=66631

          11. Wright & McGill: http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/foru...ad.php?t=66889

          12. James Heddon & Sons: http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/foru...ad.php?t=67019

          13. South Bend Bait Company: http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/foru...ad.php?t=67259

          14. Uslan Rod Company: http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/foru...ad.php?t=67473

          Very Noble Effort Sir!

          I am a new South Georgia member who is particularly bitten by the "Boo Bug."

          I hope to be able to contribute to your wonderful presentation particularly regarding Montague Rods because I am a minor collector and educated novice regarding those rods. I do not claim to be an expert.



          Left to Right Above:
          1950s Montague Redwing 8'-6" "light trout" model;
          1940s Montague Redwing 8'-6" "medium trout" model,
          mid 1930s Redwing 9-0 probably "medium trout" with Game **** label
          late 40s Redwing 9'-0" "bass action" model
          Last edited by Shoalwalker; 05-12-16, 11:40 AM.

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          • #6
            A Few ( words on MONTAGUE BAMBOO FLY RODS.

            Is there a difference between a '56 Corvette and a '77 Vega?

            Montague City Rod and Reel Company was the world's largest manufacturer of bamboo rods. Founded in the 1880s by brothers, Eugene and Leander Bartlett, the company acquired its larger competitor, Chubb, in the early 1890s. (One company, Union Hardware, seems to have deliberately made near-imitations of Montagues. ) The Bartletts continued to market and label the Chubb rods "retail" primarily through the famous Chubb catalogue. However, the bigger business was selling unlabelled rods to retailers like Abbey & Imbrie, Dame Stoddard, or even Mom&Pop. Millions were sold - from low quality to very high quality. Millions may still exist. They did not merely sell finished rods, they also sold kits, blanks and hardware. Some of that hardware (and a few rare and very collectible rods) were designed by a Leonard disciple, George Varney. The man was a true master of hardware.

            Although they would continue to supply trade rods to retailers, Montague changed philosophy completely by launching a massive ($250,000) ad campaign -including a film about fly fishing. They began to label their rods as Montague with names models, and would eventually produce about 100 different models ranging in quality and price from the Powr Built 50 that sold for $50.00 during the Great Depression, to the lowly Amateur that sold for $1.25 and came in a paper bag. Many of those rods were produced in sizes ranging from 6'6" to 9'6" (not including salmon rods). Many of those models also came in three different "actions": light trout, medium trout and bass.

            The Montague Redwing was the most popular high end fly rod. Selling for about $25.00 during the Depression, people were as proud to own that manufactured rod as many of the bench made rods produced by famous makers. Frequently, you will find people who sell them as "my grandfather's pride and joy." Nine footers are not rare, even today. However, they are valued.

            Are Montagues collectible? At the top? Yes. At the bottom? No. (Although I do know people who will buy the worst models if they are in good condition.)

            How valuable are they? A Redwing sells on ebay for an average of about $245.00 in pretty good condition. I've seen them sell as low as $98.00 and as high as $450.00. However, I would say that, if a 7'6" Redwing is offered on ebay, it will fetch in excess of $600.00 and perhaps more than $1000.00. I know of about 20 collectors (including me) who have great desire. but little hope of ever owing that rare jewel. A 7'0" Manitou "double enamel?" fuggitaboutit.

            ANYWAY here is how I price Montagues in my mind for collecting:

            RULE OF THUMB PRICE GUIDE FOR DECALED MONTAGUE RODS (Post-1926)
            Values LISTED BELOW are for 9’0” and 9’6” fly rods or Salmon rods in excellent original condition with tube and sock.
            ADJUSTMENTS for size, diminished condition, etc. are at the end.

            Double Built: ( Double enamel)
            Powr-Built 50 $250
            Powr-Built 35 $225
            Powr-Built 25 $225
            Powr-Built 20 $200

            Montague Zephyr Series (No 9 footers)
            Little Smoky - 7 - 8 $300 - 8 $225
            Sierra - 7 - 8 $300 - 8 $225
            Classon Brook - 7 - 8 $300 - 8 $225
            Midge - 7 - 8 $300 - 8 $225

            Celebrity Line
            Winthrop - $200
            Bradford - $200
            Webster - $200
            Palmer - $200
            Churchill - $200

            Top End Regular Offerings: Nickel Silver Fittings. Heat treated.
            Produced in separate facility.
            Manitou - $275 (A+ cane quality) (Rare, short rods like a 7 or 7-6 would bring a minimum of $600.00 even needing restoration)
            Redwing – Game **** label $275
            Redwing -$250 (Rare, short rods like a 7 or 7-6 would bring a minimum of $600.00 even needing restoration)
            *Montague/Orvis Impregnated - $225
            Trail - $200

            Produced in Regular facility.
            Flipline - $175 B- cane quality)

            Blue Streak - $175 3 guides on tip sections. Chrome plated, nickel silver, hand welted ferrules
            Fishkill - $175 nickel silver, hand welted ferrules (often blackened) three guides
            Comet - $175 Rolled welt nickel silver three guides
            Splitswitch Fly - $160 Rolled welt nickel silver three guides

            The Rapidan is the Mid-level "everyman's" Montague model. It has improved ferrrules that are not of the quality of the rods listed above, but better than those below. It sometime is offered with the same nickel silver and scrulock reel seat as the higher models. Trading can be brisk for the seven footer, while the 9 footers can be found frequently for $50.00. There are many thousands in existence. Theoretically, a superb 9 footer could bring $150, with a superb 7 footer bringing $300.00. Good, fishable rods can be found for half that -or less if one is patient.

            Common” Offerings: “These models use what I think of as shortcut tapers. Easy to produce and not much chance of making bad strips. The butt and mid have minor tapering end-to-end and step down at each ferrule station. The tips have more of a taper end-to-end, but again at the tiptop are much larger in diameter than the higher end rods.Quoting my e-friend "Old Cane". Ferrules are also nickel/chrome plated brass with an increasing tendency to split as you move further down the lineup.
            Rapidan - $150 Flash - $150
            Leaping Brook - $150 Beaver Run - $150

            Madison - $125 Comanche - $125
            Lakeside - $125 Apache - $125
            Acadian - $125 Iroquois - $125
            Ausable - $125 Rainy River - $125
            Broad Brook - $125 Beaver Run - $125
            Mountain Lake - $125 Pelham Brook - $125
            Bear Lake - $125 Lakeside -$125
            Sunbeam - $125 Clipper - $125
            Flashfly

            Cold Spring - $100 (C quality Cane?) Sonora - $100
            Deerfield - $100 Leaping Brook
            Barton Brook - $100 Eagle River - $100
            Ausable River $100 Timberlake - $100
            Lake Pleasant - $100 Clear Lake - $100
            Mt. Tom - $100 Highland - $100

            Pocono - Amateur
            #11579 - $75 #500 - $75

            Combination Rods: $100.00
            ANP Special Combination Fishkill Combo
            Splitswitch Combo Rapidan Combo
            Eel River Combination


            Gaspe Dry Fly Salmon - $160


            adjustment
            Values above are based on 9’0” and 9’6” fly rod or Salmon rod in very good original condition or excellent restored condition with tube and sock.

            • Add $25.00 if light trout action. * Add $50.00 if 8-6
            • Add $75.00 if 8’- 0” * Add $150.00 if 7’- 6”
            • Add $175.00 if 7’- 0” * Add $ 175.00 if 6’- 6”
            • Add $50.00 if MINT condition. * Add $20.00 perfect tube label.

            • Subtract $50.00 if full, not excellent condition, but fishable as is with minor varnish touchup or replacement of one guide,
            • Subtract $50.00 if rod has been restored in whole or noticeable part.
            • Subtract $50.00 if restoration is less than excellent
            • Subtract $25.00 if only one full tip
            • Subtract $75.00 if major restoration is required or if no full tips. Actually, for Rapidans on down, they are worthless ifthey have no full tips.
            • Subtract $10.00 no sock.
            • Subtract $30.00 no tube.

            Again, it's theoretical. Some of those models haven't been seen. Some heretofore unkown models have probably shown up in the last year. Note that this list does not include proprietary trade rods like Sears French River that is the quality equivalent of a Redwing but may be slightly more valuable due to rarity.

            I must acknowledge the master. If you are searching for more (and better) information about Montague rods, search the internet for Rex TheMontyMan.
            Last edited by Shoalwalker; 09-28-16, 12:28 PM.

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