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  • #31
    "American" Burgers?

    When you say "American" is that as in US of A or the collective North and South American continents? A great deal of fast food beef now comes from South America so that "American burger" is .....? And BTW, thanks for the update on the spelling of the burger joint. We are very fortunate in our area to have some great local joints so I never have to go to a fast food place.

    And a wee story on "American made". We bought one of the first mini-vans, a Plymouth Voyager. Great vehicle. Warranty expired and needed repairs I took to our local foreign car repair guy in Lilburn. He says he can't work on an American car, he only works on foreign cars. So I told him, "Jim, look at it this way. The car is from a company run by an Italian, it's made in Canada and from the firewall forward it's Mitsubishi. So what's NOT foreign?"

    He laughed and said he would begin work immediately. So, just where/how do we define local vs. foreign? Even those Hardy reels likely contained materials imported into England. And no, not poking at anyone here, it's just a fun discussion on how we define points of manufacture in a global economy.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by TroutSniper View Post
      but neither of these companies makes anything in England anymore.
      Not true. Hardy is making the Perfect and the St. George in the UK again.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by JOHNKIES View Post
        We bought one of the first mini-vans, a Plymouth Voyager. Great vehicle.
        If your van was around the same vintage as our old van - a 94 town and country, I would not describe it as a "great vehicle". That thing ate brakes, water pumps, and transmissions.

        But I suppose I am getting off topic.

        I have two English made Orvis reels, both of which are excellent. When you hold the English reel in your hand with the new China reel in the other hand, even though they look similar, you can just feel that the new one is a piece of *crud*.

        It's funny that most folks think Orvis is for snobs - I must be too snobbish for Orvis!

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        • #34
          Originally posted by lewdogg View Post
          If your van was around the same vintage as our old van - a 94 town and country, I would not describe it as a "great vehicle". That thing ate brakes, water pumps, and transmissions.

          But I suppose I am getting off topic.

          I have two English made Orvis reels, both of which are excellent. When you hold the English reel in your hand with the new China reel in the other hand, even though they look similar, you can just feel that the new one is a piece of *crud*.

          It's funny that most folks think Orvis is for snobs - I must be too snobbish for Orvis!
          The true definition of a great vehicle is simple: Wood panels = great vehicle.

          I, too, must have gotten lucky and bought some good Orvis stuff before the quality dropped off. I would not consider any of my Orvis equipment "high end" and I've never had a problem with any of it.

          I am curious about one thing. I bought a Battenkill Bar Stock III reel in 2006 for $99, which I believe was the normal price at the time. It says "Made In England" on the foot. Great reel. I bought it for durability and it has lived up to its billing so far.

          I notice this same reel now goes for $145 on the Orvis web site and is listed as "Imported." What exactly does that mean? Whatever it means, that seems like a steep price increase in only six years, hopefully without a decrease in quality.
          "Let your hook be always cast. In the pool where you least expect it, will be fish." -Fortune Cookie

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          • #35
            Originally posted by fontinalis View Post
            I am curious about one thing. I bought a Battenkill Bar Stock III reel in 2006 for $99, which I believe was the normal price at the time. It says "Made In England" on the foot. Great reel. I bought it for durability and it has lived up to its billing so far.

            I notice this same reel now goes for $145 on the Orvis web site and is listed as "Imported." What exactly does that mean? Whatever it means, that seems like a steep price increase in only six years, hopefully without a decrease in quality.
            The BBS reels were made by British Fly Reel (BFR) for Orvis, and then Orvis sent everything (including the CFO's) to be made in China. Hang on to your British made one! As for the price increase; blame that on global warming I guess.
            Message sent from your mom's bedroom during pillow talk

            Buck Henry
            Simple Goat Herder
            Former NGTO President
            Hall of Fame Member

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            • #36
              1984 Plymouth Voyager

              1984 was the first year and I ordered one with the big engine and HS suspension. Put well over 100K miles on it with no real issues besides typical maintenance.

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              • #37
                Enjoyed the post, I for one would hope if I had that kind of money I would not spend it on such.

                I have a Battenkill mid arbor 8wt which has been sent to the shop 3 times after very little use, granted in the salt but always rinsed and cleaned. The drag system is poor, very little difference no matter where the dial is set. I also have a Lamson Konic, beats it hands down ea click of the drag imparts more tension.

                Good to know for someone time is of no issue, you must be a very satisfied man!
                " Is it ignorance or is it apathy?
                Hey man I don't know and I don't care" Jimmy Buffet

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                • #38
                  It's Started.

                  I came home today to find my stack of mail on the dining room table. Beneath the pile of Cabelas and Bass Pro catalogs was the ubiquitous "Orvis Sporting Gifts" catalog. This is not to be confused with the Orvis Christmas catalog that will most likely arrive within the next few weeks. I couldn't wait to peruse the pages in search of this year's most ridiculously over-priced Orvis product.... so into the reading room I went.

                  I quickly noticed that the Orvis Mother Shucker oyster shucking knife made an encore appearance. I'm guessing these things were either real popular.....or they had a bunch left over from last year. They'll still set you back $129 clams.



                  If you are striving for that "gentlemanly look" for a paltry $450 bucks....you can own the Orvis Leather Toasting Set.

                  "Celebrate the fish of a lifetime or your latest limit of birds with a glass of your favorite spirits. This toasting glasses set, complete with four glasses, features a solid wood case wrapped in the finest Spanish leather, with just enough room for a bottle of fine scotch. Finished with piano-style hinges and a strap closure for a gentlemanly look."



                  Here's a new item for this holiday season...."The Blo-Poke".



                  "A mainstay around fireplaces for decades, the Blo-Poke is a high-quality, innovative blower and poker tool for restarting fires and adjusting smoldering logs. Built with a mouthpiece and 180-degree air holes at the point tip, keep the coals fueled with air and adjust logs with the same versatile tool. "

                  I can only imagine how it would feel to have one too many "toasts" with your Orvis Toasting Set....and then in a slightly inebriated state....pick up the Blo-Poke and wrap your lips around the wrong end of this bad boy. Ouch.

                  If you have an extra $275 lying around....you can score a pair of Orvis Shotshell Cufflinks.



                  "For the sportsman with a calendar of holiday formal events, these sterling silver cuff links replicate mini shotgun shells. In beautiful blue presentation and storage box."

                  There is much too much silliness in the 2013 Orvis Sporting Gifts catalog to list in this thread. One thing I did notice...the minions at Orvis have listed which items are imported and which are made in the U.S.A.

                  Who says the Orvis execs don't read this message board?
                  Last edited by Drifter; 10-27-13, 06:56 PM.
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                  • #39
                    Just because you are are an unrefined Barbarian doesn't mean the rest of us are. Some people just don't appreciate the finer things in life.

                    Man, I miss the Orvis Warehouse sales up at Gwinnett Convention Center.

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                    • #40
                      Orvis definitely has some crazy over priced things. If you have some extra jingle in your pockets go for it. They make good stuff and stand behind it. I have some Orvis shirts I wear every year that are 20 years old.

                      If you want to see crazy, Neiman Marcus Christmas Catalog

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Remoh View Post
                        Orvis definitely has some crazy over priced things. If you have some extra jingle in your pockets go for it. They make good stuff and stand behind it. I have some Orvis shirts I wear every year that are 20 years old.

                        If you want to see crazy, Neiman Marcus Christmas Catalog


                        “HIS & HERS” 2013
                        ULTIMATE OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM

                        A true audio- and video-phile’s dream, you click a button and your television emerges from its discreet, underground cache, telescoping upward and unfolding to reveal its mega 201″ C SEED screen. The accompanying speakers, developed by CAT-California Audio Technology, Inc., use the most advanced marine-grade components specifically developed for super yachts. The system includes technologically advanced speakers, subwoofers, and amplifiers that project unparalleled sound, a DirecTV® satellite and DVD management system, and a built-in movie package featuring up to 300 movies and concerts (The American Film Institute’s 100 Most Thrilling American Films and 100 Greatest Love Stories, the remaining 100 are your choice). That never-ending argument over who controls the remote is no longer an issue. Two Apple® mini iPadsTM serve as the remotes; one for him and one for her. With every Ultimate Outdoor Entertainment System purchase, Neiman Marcus will donate $10,000 to The Heart of Neiman Marcus Foundation.
                        ($1,500,000; pages 48-49 )

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                        • #42
                          My Half brother used to be upper middle management with Neiman Marcus. I used to wear business suits everyday to work. Joseph Banks kind of stuff. I asked him at the family Christmas Party- what would be a good suit for me that was economical, he said Armani made a $2000 suit that would work well. I went to K&G instead and took the family on a Caribbean Cruise.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Remoh View Post
                            I went to K&G instead and took the family on a Caribbean Cruise.
                            Most of my detective buddies (me included) were regulars at K&G. I'd give the little Korean man a $50 buck tip and walk out with three well-fitted suits that would rival Armani. I went to the one on Chattahoochee Avenue. Thanks for the memories Bern.
                            The Drifter

                            The contents of this message might be totally inaccurate, misguided or otherwise perverse. If you are stupid enough to follow any of the tips listed here and mess up yourself or your equipment, I am absolved of all responsibility. The information contained herein is based on my personal experience and by no means constitutes the correct way to do it. Your mileage may vary.

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                            • #44
                              K&G is the best Drifter- I think Men's Warehouse Company bought them I only bought stuff at Joseph Bank when it was buy one suit get 3 free, lol. I landed a big account when I was a kid. I bought myself a Hart-Shafter-Marx suit custom tailored. I wore it to the celebration dinner in Fairhope Alabama. I fell off the pier that night and it tore up.....Last expensive suit I ever bought.

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                              • #45
                                I've agreed with you guys for the most part but saying a K&G suit rivals an Armani (or a HSM or Brooks Bros that cost $1000 less) is crazy.

                                There is always a point of diminishing return on goods. A $100 Bass Pro combo will catch trout but to say it rivals a Sage One with a Nautilus reel really isn't true.

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