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  • #31
    Originally posted by eyeflyfish View Post
    I have met some great folks through this forum.

    I would like an easier way to post photos. I have limited social media skills and even less desire to be involved in other formats. I do like occasionally sharing my adventures to secret 20" creeks, even though some folks take offense to my tactics.
    Right now PhotoBucket is allowing you to access their services. Don't know how long this will last, but I downloaded some pictures and posted them last night.
    BE DIFFERENT AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE! <

    Exodus 29:18
    Then burn the entire ram on the altar. It is a burnt offering to the LORD, a pleasing aroma, a food offering presented to the LORD. God loves BBQ!

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    • #32
      Splatek16,
      Thanks for bringing this to the forefront as you and I were talking about this on Tuesday. I don't know squat about this kind of stuff. But I'm willing to help in whatever aspect I can.
      "Be patient and calm - for no one can catch fish in anger." - Herbert Hoover

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      • #33
        Originally posted by troutbum69 View Post
        Whatever you do just don't put in a "like" feature. It just dumbs things down to a single post with no discussion after.


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        I agree with this statement. There are like features on some other forums I use and it really does change the dynamic of response for the worse.

        I also agree with more members only content. I like to share my limited knowledge as far as tips and mostly use the site to increase my knowledge or pass the time. The thought of sending even one extra fisherman to somewhere I plan to fish is not ideal to me.

        edit: I would be in favor of some kind of montly subscription fee to access fishing reports, and I would openly post my reports in this section on a regular basis for other paying members.

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        • #34
          One response of several I can offer

          This is a good thread. Communication is important.

          Fellas, when my kids start talking about "the good ole days". I'll tell you the same thing I tell them, "You don't realize but you are presently living in the good ole days". And that even includes NGTO. I was a founding BOD member in 2000, retired from the BOD to let others take over, then was asked to come back because I volunteered to be the treasurer. There are multiple parts to this thread and I'll offer my perspective on a few of them but I'm not wasting my holiday answering them all now. For time constraints I'll split them up. Here is the first, hope it helps. See my commits below.

          Originally posted by splatek16 View Post
          Depending on which data you pay attention to there are either ~11,000 members



          Or over 45,000 members of the site



          Perhaps these numbers need to be addressed. One way might be to enact a mass purge of folks that haven't posted in the last year, two, or whatever. Another way, might be to contact the members and ask them to opt in, else their account will be terminated.


          Originally posted by 3-wt View Post
          I mean, with a membership of 12,000 or 47,000 (not sure which is right),

          Originally posted by JerryG View Post
          Swampy,
          This screenshot is from January 29, I was having a convo with Alex and Phil about registration back then and how the number was skyrocketing. I had a creepy situation around that same time where someone was trying to log in as me and hit the max # of attempts. There were around 30k members then, a few months ago, right now there are 47k.

          I would honestly post more if the board was member only. The number of lurkers is also a little weird to me. Around 450 right now. I'm not trying to give a fishing report to 500 people I dont know.

          The only mention of NGTO membership in the past couple years that I remember was a member using our dramatically increasing numbers to validate some argument he was involved in. Here is what was actually happening.

          The mods have been manually monitoring NGTO registrations since approximately 2006 because random spammers and porn hackers began logging onto the sight in earnest. An aside, member "Speck" was concerned about his boy "fishinbub" seeing some hard core porn that popped up on the board...in the good ole days. Another aside, if you pay attention, Speck's boy "fishinbub" just completed a run for a GA state legislature post at age 22 or something.

          Anyway, beginning in about February 2017 the usual few spam posts began escalating at an exponential rate. The mods were deleting dozens of new registrations on a daily basis. Remember, we could not delete in mass because in the middle of all those spam were legitimate new members. Up until early this year it was kept under control. But about February the new registrations escalated to several hundred a day. We had gone from 13000 members to 37000 members by that time. By the time DaDa could figure out a solution in March we were above 49000 "members". We have been slowly deleting spam registrations ever since. It will probably take quite a while to cull out all the spam memberships.

          It doesn't really affect anything other than folks wanting to make arguments for one purpose or another. The real number of NGTO members is probably around 13000. Even that is probably irrelevant because all it means is bragging rights. Many of those registrations have never made a single post. We occasionally go in and delete folks that have not posted in 10 years or so.

          But why care. I have always said it is the quality of the posts that is important, not the quantity. That's it for now.

          Oh, I forgot. JerryG, it hasn't been discussed in a long while, maybe even since vbulletin was implemented, but the vast majority of those "guests' you see in "current active users" are what I guess are called spiders in the IT world. Those are search engines looking for info at the speed of light from internet users all over the world. As it was explained to me, anytime you or any other individual searches a term, those spiders go all over the internet looking for pertinent data. For example, if somebody types in "water" for any reason, "water" in NGTO is reviewed for that search. Looks like many don't use the term spider in them anymore but that is what most of the "guests" are. That in it self is creepy, but you get used to it, or you put a foil hat on and prepare for the rapture.

          Next post, some folks will tell you "in the good ole days" more people posted. That is a perception, I'll argue the facts do not bear that out.
          Last edited by Swamp Angel; 05-30-18, 01:55 PM.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by THE EG View Post
            The only mention of NGTO membership in the past couple years that I remember was philhutch using our dramatically increasing numbers to validate some argument he was involved in.
            Wow, so much for not flaming members on the board, lol...
            EG I have to say that your statement is incorrect. The only reason I would bring that up ever is for protection of the fishery. There is a direct corellation between member numbers growing and certain threads being looked at( such as Alex's PB thread or my Chattooga threads from earlier this year) which can directly affect the fisheries named due to people being interested and wanting to fish there. That would not be such a big deal if the information could be more protected in some manner as Jerry or SPlatek have mentioned.
            Last edited by Philhutch80; 05-30-18, 01:47 PM.
            #JBNavy

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            “At sunrise everything is luminous but not clear.”
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            "We are what we hunt."
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Philhutch80 View Post
              Wow, so much for not flaming members on the board, lol...
              EG I have to say that your statement is incorrect. The only reason I would bring that up ever is for protection of the fishery. There is a direct corellation between member numbers growing and certain threads being looked at( such as Alex's PB thread or my Chattooga threads from earlier this year) which can directly affect the fisheries named due to people being interested and wanting to fish there. That would not be such a big deal if the information could be more protected in some manner as Jerry or SPlatek have mentioned.
              Phil,

              You're mistaken if you somehow think I was flaming you. I won't argue with you, I'll just present facts and let folks make their own determinations. Here's your statement from the DH thread a while back where you referenced NGTO member numbers. You did not bring it up because of "protection of the fishery", it was a mystery to you at the time. And there is no "direct correlation between member numbers growing and certain threads being looked at". I explained above the exact reason why the numbers grew. If you can present some previous thread where somebody else brought up the hemorrhaging member numbers, I'll edit my previous comments to include them.

              Originally posted by Philhutch80 View Post
              I agree there have been less trip reports yet the member numbers continue grow mysteriously from 500-1000 a day. Personally I feel that there is an elephant in the room nobody will talk about in regards to fishermen being snooty and badgering people sooooo much they get frustrated and no longer want to post or are concerned there are potential poaching issues. It is a shame as that is part of why I come here is to get inspired by other trip reports.
              BTW phil, I appreciate your passion for fishing and NGTO. I also appreciate that you contribute to other members on the message board. But I have some constructive criticisms of things you do that we can discuss in private. I'll leave it there as Swampy is already getting uncomfortable and removing posts that are not constructive.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by THE EG View Post
                Phil,

                You're mistaken if you somehow think I was flaming you. I won't argue with you, I'll just present facts and let folks make their own determinations. Here's your statement from the DH thread a while back where you referenced NGTO member numbers. You did not bring it up because of "protection of the fishery", it was a mystery to you at the time. And there is no "direct correlation between member numbers growing and certain threads being looked at". I explained above the exact reason why the numbers grew. If you can present some previous thread where somebody else brought up the hemorrhaging member numbers, I'll edit my previous comments to include them.



                BTW phil, I appreciate your passion for fishing and NGTO. I also appreciate that you contribute to other members on the message board. But I have some constructive criticisms of things you do that we can discuss in private. I'll leave it there as Swampy is already getting uncomfortable and removing posts that are not constructive.
                In my post there I talked about several subjects that have ALREADY been addressed on this thread but you chose to purposefully name me. Ultimately what I posted in that particular DH thread takes a long term look at helping the fishery and I am of the opinion the DH is a poor utilization of our resources but that is a digression from the purpose of this thread. One of the points of this thread is to make people feel welcome especially if they have enough cujones to talk to y’all about the elephant in the room that had been avoided for far too long in regards to growing member numbers, how to protect the fishery and how people stated they stopped posting because of others. This is also why I sent you a PM. I do not understand why you could not return the message.
                Last edited by Philhutch80; 05-30-18, 06:11 PM.
                #JBNavy

                "Everyday is a new life to a wise man."
                -Chinese Proverb

                “At sunrise everything is luminous but not clear.”
                -Norman Maclean

                "We are what we hunt."
                -PH

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                • #38
                  my 2 cents

                  I'll share my thoughts, which may have some relevance to the issues raised in the previous posts. I've been on NTGO for quite a while. A decade ago, I checked 3 or 4 similar boards on a daily basis. For me, a few things have happened, and they happen in all pursuits. If you've played golf, gotten into fitness, cars, or guitars, etc., you soak in as much as you can for a time, but after a while, the information starts to repeat itself. I still check the board occasionally, but my level of interest has declined significantly over the last few years. I think that's a function of repetition. Consider a fitness magazine - how many times can they recycle an article on how to get a six pack. Reading fishing reports is similar in my mind - just SNITS and DH brood stock instead of six-packs. After a few years, you've read it enough times that eventually you lose interest.
                  At any rate, that's my story, and I'm guessing quite a few folks are similar - I know the folks I fish with have gone from regular board users to no-use whatsoever. If that's a big chunk of the membership, and the new fishermen are using different social media platforms . . . . well, you can connect the dots.
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                  • #39
                    I'll just note 6 things:

                    1. This is my first post in this thread, and my last. Why that is important is coming next.

                    2. Phil, you flamed me (at least it appeared to be about me) in this thread for no apparent reason other than just for your own enjoyment, and to try and tag onto what Browniez said. I'd love to hear how you flaming someone is OK, but when someone else is doing the flaming it is bad and is killing NGTO. You can't have it both ways.

                    3. You were not flamed by The Eg, that is called "a discussion", and we used to have a lot of fun having discussions, even heated ones, where nobody let their feelings get hurt. What I used to do to you sometimes, and what you did to me in this thread, was flaming, and no, this is not that.

                    4. Usage of the term "hater", and all of its derivatives, shows that you (meaning anyone, not somebody specific) are incapable of a well thought out train of thought supporting your position, especially when you are getting beat in a discussion.

                    5. NOT responding to a thread is not bad form or behavior. No one owes anyone a response to their thread, even if it is the greatest fishing report ever.

                    6. EVERYTHING on NGTO is voluntary, including the time and effort put in by the BOD to keep it running for the rest of us. But, it is up to the regular posters to keep it fun and fresh. If NGTO is less than it used to be, then that is on the present active membership.

                    FM
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by fishmonger View Post
                      I'll just note 6 things:

                      1. This is my first post in this thread, and my last. Why that is important is coming next.

                      2. Phil, you flamed me (at least it appeared to be about me) in this thread for no apparent reason other than just for your own enjoyment, and to try and tag onto what Browniez said. I'd love to hear how you flaming someone is OK, but when someone else is doing the flaming it is bad and is killing NGTO. You can't have it both ways.
                      FM, since you are a mod I invite you to go look at the original post. It never mentioned names or specific persons, just actions that have occurred on the forum by many members which have caused other members to no longer post. Again, both Browniez and I take heat for speaking up it seems. When did we stop valuing other peoples opinions and intellect and taking their perspective into account vs becoming empirical and argumenative?

                      Originally posted by fishmonger View Post
                      3. You were not flamed by The Eg, that is called "a discussion", and we used to have a lot of fun having discussions, even heated ones, where nobody let their feelings get hurt. What I used to do to you sometimes, and what you did to me in this thread was flaming, and no, this is not that.
                      Nothing that I said flamed EG especially considering originally the posts were removed from the forum and then mysteriously came back. I simply pointed out his direction towards bringing unnecessary drama to the thread and taking the direction away from what the thread is about.

                      Originally posted by fishmonger View Post
                      4. Usage of the term "hater", and all of its derivatives, shows that you (meaning anyone, not somebody specific) are incapable of a well thought out train of thought supporting your position, especially when you are getting beat in a discussion.
                      LOL, a hater is someone who is not willing to evolve their methods or train of thought. A hater is someone who stirs the pot with no positive resolution. What you described is someone who is flustered, not a hater. I am sure everyone on this board can attest to other members causing that at times.

                      Originally posted by fishmonger View Post
                      5. NOT responding to a thread is not bad form or behavior. No one owes anyone a response to their thread, even if it is the greatest fishing report ever.

                      6. EVERYTHING on NGTO is voluntary, including the time and effort put in by the BOD to keep it running for the rest of us. But, it is up to the regular posters to keep it fun and fresh. If NGTO is less than it used to be, then that is on the present active membership.

                      FM
                      NGTO is completely voluntary, 100% agree with you there. It is also considered a no-profit/charitable forum. Have you ever thought to ask what the public perception of it is and how it improves the environment and fisheries in their eyes? What would it take to take NGTO beyond people volunteering their time? If present active members are making this big a deal about the forum itself and other things related to our topics of conversation we carry on here, would you agree that the present active members are willing to do something about making changes? Since you said that would be your only post, feel free to PM me as I know you will read this. We can talk from there.
                      #JBNavy

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                      -Chinese Proverb

                      “At sunrise everything is luminous but not clear.”
                      -Norman Maclean

                      "We are what we hunt."
                      -PH

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                      • #41
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5FfJ89rGPc


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                        • #42
                          Isaac - We might have to make up a Secretary of State position just for you!
                          If you have difficulty understanding the post above, read it out loud and it should make sense. This NGTO member is known for his poor hill-billy upbringing and his affinity for all things from Louisiana (particularly if it relates to LSU). It makes for a poor mix of accents and much difficulty in translation. He was doing well for so long, but now seems to have regressed.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Isaac H View Post
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5FfJ89rGPc


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                            • #44
                              I officially deem this thread popcorn worthy. It took a while but it's good to see we finally got here =) 🔥🔥🔥🔥👍👍👍👍

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by THE EG View Post
                                This is a good thread. Communication is important.

                                Fellas, when my kids start talking about "the good ole days". I'll tell you the same thing I tell them, "You don't realize but you are presently living in the good ole days". And that even includes NGTO. I was a founding BOD member in 2000, retired from the BOD to let others take over, then was asked to come back because I volunteered to be the treasurer. There are multiple parts to this thread and I'll offer my perspective on a few of them but I'm not wasting my holiday answering them all now. For time constraints I'll split them up. Here is the first, hope it helps. See my commits below.











                                The only mention of NGTO membership in the past couple years that I remember was a member using our dramatically increasing numbers to validate some argument he was involved in. Here is what was actually happening.

                                The mods have been manually monitoring NGTO registrations since approximately 2006 because random spammers and porn hackers began logging onto the sight in earnest. An aside, member "Speck" was concerned about his boy "fishinbub" seeing some hard core porn that popped up on the board...in the good ole days. Another aside, if you pay attention, Speck's boy "fishinbub" just completed a run for a GA state legislature post at age 22 or something.

                                Anyway, beginning in about February 2017 the usual few spam posts began escalating at an exponential rate. The mods were deleting dozens of new registrations on a daily basis. Remember, we could not delete in mass because in the middle of all those spam were legitimate new members. Up until early this year it was kept under control. But about February the new registrations escalated to several hundred a day. We had gone from 13000 members to 37000 members by that time. By the time DaDa could figure out a solution in March we were above 49000 "members". We have been slowly deleting spam registrations ever since. It will probably take quite a while to cull out all the spam memberships.

                                It doesn't really affect anything other than folks wanting to make arguments for one purpose or another. The real number of NGTO members is probably around 13000. Even that is probably irrelevant because all it means is bragging rights. Many of those registrations have never made a single post. We occasionally go in and delete folks that have not posted in 10 years or so.

                                But why care. I have always said it is the quality of the posts that is important, not the quantity. That's it for now.

                                Oh, I forgot. JerryG, it hasn't been discussed in a long while, maybe even since vbulletin was implemented, but the vast majority of those "guests' you see in "current active users" are what I guess are called spiders in the IT world. Those are search engines looking for info at the speed of light from internet users all over the world. As it was explained to me, anytime you or any other individual searches a term, those spiders go all over the internet looking for pertinent data. For example, if somebody types in "water" for any reason, "water" in NGTO is reviewed for that search. Looks like many don't use the term spider in them anymore but that is what most of the "guests" are. That in it self is creepy, but you get used to it, or you put a foil hat on and prepare for the rapture.

                                Next post, some folks will tell you "in the good ole days" more people posted. That is a perception, I'll argue the facts do not bear that out.
                                I like how you changed Phil Hutch to "a member EG. CLASSY MOVE

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