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Old 04-15-15, 08:12 PM   #1
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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/11...?_r=1&referrer
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Old 04-15-15, 11:36 PM   #2
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All I can say is never accept aquatic science findings from a geology professor. Back to your rocks Mr and go catch some wild bluegill if it will make you feel better.
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Old 04-16-15, 09:00 AM   #3
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I'm not agreeing with him, but I never want to dismiss something right from the start. It did make me think about keeping stockers though. I had bought into the idea of catch and release as the primary way to fish and to only keep a few fish a year. This has at least got me interested in learning more and may lead to a change in my approach. I would assume that he is very close to people who would know a great deal about this subject.
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Old 04-16-15, 09:44 AM   #4
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Let me put my green eye shade on (old time newspaper editors wore those) and take another look at the article. From the standpoint of credentials the author has an advanced degree, but not in fishery science. This does not discount him from knowing a lot about fish and hatcheries, but neither does it qualify him. The author should have told us what the qualifications are to make a very scientific statement. There are a lot of numbers mentioned and while none sound unreasonable, there is no reference to source material. Also, the terms "about" and "I think" rotate this to editorial status, not news or information.

That said, it is something to consider. It would be wonderful to have our fisheries in an all natural state and managed for a sustainable harvest. It's a micro environment, but that is what is going on in GSMNP after years of studies. Is this feasible on a national basis? It could be but too many water ways are interstate so the regulations in one state may not line up with those in next state up or down river. Consider west coast steelhead. If the state of Washington had no steelhead regs and Idaho had all C&R regulations it would be pointless as few if any steelhead would get that far. And yes, commercial fisheries have to be considered in this.

So our author's piece would not make it past me as an editor, certainly not as a news article and marginal at best as editorial. Ask yourself, could you write the same piece with equal credibility?

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Old 04-16-15, 11:58 AM   #5
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All I can say is never accept aquatic science findings from a geology professor. Back to your rocks Mr and go catch some wild bluegill if it will make you feel better.
x2. He should stick with rocks...aquatic ecology is not his cup of tea.
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Old 04-16-15, 01:55 PM   #6
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I'd love for either of you to go point by point and explain where he is wrong.
I would, but I simply can't refute the indisputable truth that the Burton Trout Hatchery is causing "dead zones" that are "choking estuaries and coastal ecosystems downstream." You got me...
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Old 04-16-15, 02:12 PM   #7
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So as a sophomore at a North Georgia junior college you're pretty sure he's wrong because you say so?
Yes, that is exactly why he is wrong...
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Old 04-16-15, 03:15 PM   #8
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So as a sophomore at a North Georgia junior college you're pretty sure he's wrong because you say so?
Actually he's a senior environmental science major at a private 4-year college who just recently presented a great capstone project which studied the benefits of in-stream structures for native brook trout.

And yes, I'm biased but that doesn't prove my statement false.
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Old 04-18-15, 12:43 AM   #9
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I'd love for either of you to go point by point and explain where he is wrong.
You're welcome, btw...

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Sam, in all seriousness you might repost your comments to the Times site, if so inclined.
Looks like they don't have the article open for comments. I guess the good Doctor didn't want to provide a platform for dissenting opinion.

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Dang it! Now if we could just make fishinbub a Bulldog fan! But I know that'll never happen.

Cucarahafly, I did work in a lab at UGA one summer and assisted with a little field research on one of their brookie projects. I may or may not have worn a Tech cap to work a few times...
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Old 04-20-15, 10:30 AM   #10
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The shmuck (DR.) is promoting his book The Quest for the Golden Trout: Environmental Loss and America's Iconic Fish...you can buy it on Amazon for 23.95 ...Go Bub...debate skills at work there ...huh...go figure...way to go graduate...will
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