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Old 02-05-18, 07:53 PM   #31
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Dude, he caught the ball!!!!!!!!!
OK.. I really enjoyed the game. I thought it was entertaining and one heck of a finish. Did not really care which team won. But, I have to agree with Buck.. on this one (now that is something right there).. Stop the whining , the Eagles made the plays to win the game. The Pats played great, but the O line let them down a few times and their D just didn't make enough plays to win. End of story...Brady will always be remembered as one of the best no matter if he retires or stays.. And, the Philly fans exhibited more self-control than I expected.
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Old 02-05-18, 09:10 PM   #32
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Y'know, I used to think so too until I saw one in person in Italy. And realized I could have looked at it for hours. The subject and intent was clear and the detail to make it so was amazing.
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Old 02-05-18, 09:27 PM   #33
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And, the Philly fans exhibited more self-control than I expected.
They weren't in Philly. This was only the fans who could afford to finance a trip and tickets. The hardcore, clock you with a Bud bottle fans were watching on the tube.
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Old 02-05-18, 09:37 PM   #34
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They weren't in Philly. This was only the fans who could afford to finance a trip and tickets. The hardcore, clock you with a Bud bottle fans were watching on the tube.
Wonder how many cars where flipped, fires put out, awning collapsed (they actually cllimbed up on clothed awning thinking they would hold ) and horses where stolen.


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Y'know, I used to think so too until I saw one in person in Italy. And realized I could have looked at it for hours. The subject and intent was clear and the detail to make it so was amazing.

Is the intent to stare at it for hours until you begin hallucinating? A similar effect I can reproduce staring at my popcorn ceiling. Read somewhere once "Art is fooling the masses" (Or was it democracy?).

This referee "subjectiveness" or what have you certainly fooled us into thinking the Eagles are the Superbowl champs.
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Old 02-05-18, 09:42 PM   #35
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Subjective? Its not a Jackson Pollock painting.

P.S. Jackson Pollock stinks
I and every Joe Schmo high school ref can tell you when I see a catch, but an all encompassing definition has proven impossible to nail down by the best and brightest the nfl has to offer.
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Old 02-05-18, 10:00 PM   #36
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I and every Joe Schmo high school ref can tell you when I see a catch, but an all encompassing definition has proven impossible to nail down by the best and brightest the nfl has to offer.
You folks are experiencing a collective unconscious phenomenon know as blind Brady-hate syndrome.
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Old 02-05-18, 10:01 PM   #37
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I and every Joe Schmo high school ref can tell you when I see a catch, but an all encompassing definition has proven impossible to nail down by the best and brightest the nfl has to offer.
Simply untrue. You must catch the ball, have control, stay in bounds, if you make a football move you are a runner. Pretty clear set of rules. The interpretation is the issue.

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Old 02-06-18, 07:02 AM   #38
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You folks are experiencing a collective unconscious phenomenon know as blind Brady-hate syndrome.
No clue what you're trying to get at here.

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Simply untrue. You must catch the ball, have control, stay in bounds, if you make a football move you are a runner. Pretty clear set of rules. The interpretation is the issue.

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Before you make the claim that what I'm saying is untrue let's reference the nfl rulebook:

"ARTICLE 3. COMPLETED OR INTERCEPTED PASS
A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds:

secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
maintains control of the ball after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, until he has the ball long enough to clearly become a runner. A player has the ball long enough to become a runner when, after his second foot is on the ground, he is capable of avoiding or warding off impending contact of an opponent, tucking the ball away, turning up field, or taking additional steps (see 3-2-7-Item 2).
Note: If a player has control of the ball, a slight movement of the ball will not be considered a loss of possession. He must lose control of the ball in order to rule that there has been a loss of possession.

If the player loses the ball while simultaneously touching both feet or any part of his body to the ground, it is not a catch.

Item 1. Player Going to the Ground. A player is considered to be going to the ground if he does not remain upright long enough to demonstrate that he is clearly a runner. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball until after his initial contact with the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.

Item 2. Sideline Catches. If a player goes to the ground out-of-bounds (with or without contact by an opponent) in the process of making a catch at the sideline, he must maintain complete and continuous control of the ball until after his initial contact with the ground, or the pass is incomplete.

Item 3. End Zone Catches. The requirements for a catch in the end zone are the same as the requirements for a catch in the field of play.

Note: In the field of play, if a catch of a forward pass has been completed, after which contact by a defender causes the ball to become loose before the runner is down by contact, it is a fumble, and the ball remains alive. In the end zone, the same action is a touchdown, since the receiver completed the catch beyond the goal line prior to the loss of possession, and the ball is dead when the catch is completed.

Item 4. Ball Touches Ground. If the ball touches the ground after the player secures control of it, it is a catch, provided that the player continues to maintain control.

Item 5. Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball.

Item 6. Carried Out of Bounds. If a player, who is in possession of the ball, is held up and carried out of bounds by an opponent before both feet or any part of his body other than his hands touches the ground inbounds, it is a completed or intercepted pass. It is not necessary for the player to maintain control of the ball when he lands out of bounds."

Now ask yourself, does that need to be more or less prescriptive in order to eliminate confusion.
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Old 02-06-18, 05:12 PM   #39
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Good grief I understand the NFL would like to have clear rules but that reads like new homeowner regulations created by the geezers in the homeowner's association who have way too much time on their hands.

And a footnote, there is no question Brady is a great QB and will go down in history as such. I just think he sucks as a human being. 8- )
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Old 02-06-18, 06:44 PM   #40
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The really important question, that's not being discussed, we could even call it the "elephant in the forum" is:

Who's got connections to get me tickets to the game next year when the Eagles come to ATL?

Sure, GOUT make sure your car is already tipped and you've greased all your poles and don't run in subways (oh wait, ATL doesn't have a subway, or does it?)
Back to getting me tickets. PM me with details. HAHA
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