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Old 07-26-12, 04:12 PM   #31
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The most profound reason to have a gun, for me, is to protect myself from my government or an invading army from another country. The nutjobs that pull off the mass-shootings are random and the chance of me encountering something like that, being in a position to help, actually carrying the piece, etc. It's all like a perfect storm. If it's my time to go, then my gun might not be able to stop it.

But governments are notorious, even nefarious "infringers". So my guess, my hunch, is that if one or the other is bound to happen to me, it's more likely going to be the government trying to take me out and not some random loser loaded for bear.
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Old 07-26-12, 04:15 PM   #32
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I disagree. Any gun fire from a would-be hero in that theater would have been a major distraction to the bad guy. He would no longer have the luxury of shooting folks indiscriminately if someone was returning fire directed at him. I am convinced that this would have a strong potential to save lives.
But with it being dark, a couple hundred people running in all directions, and there basically not being a direction of fire that would not have had a innocent person either between you and the shooter or as the background behind the shooter just how many people would you have shot?

Also if two or more good ole boys with Colts had started firing, which one of them would you have shot at thinking he was the Bad Guy?

I just do not see a lot of upside from just blasting away in the dark.

When all of the police work was done, and the would-be hero found out he was credited with one grandmother, a teenager and the local auto mechanic the hero might not be feeling so good.
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Old 07-26-12, 04:17 PM   #33
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TB, the .45 ACP was invented in 1904 by John Browning for eventual use in his M1911 semi-auto pistol. Rather than Germans, you may be thinking of the Moro rebellion in the Philippines in the early 20th century and against whom the Krag .30-06 was not very effective. Not sure about the drugs - I heard that one too but it was cocaine, not opium. Mostly they were just determined fighters. Anyone on opium is usually worthless - unless you need a lumpy rug.

ETA: In any event the Moro are Muslims and, if they are following the law, are forbidden from ingesting drugs.
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Old 07-26-12, 04:29 PM   #34
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TB, the .45 ACP was invented in 1904 by John Browning for eventual use in his M1911 semi-auto pistol. Rather than Germans, you may be thinking of the Moro rebellion in the Philippines in the early 20th century and against whom the Krag .30-06 was not very effective. Not sure about the drugs - I heard that one too but it was cocaine, not opium. Mostly they were just determined fighters. Anyone on opium is usually worthless - unless you need a lumpy rug.

ETA: In any event the Moro are Muslims and, if they are following the law, are forbidden from ingesting drugs.
Correction: ...against whom the .38 special was not very effective....

also the Krag was a 30-40 not 30-06.
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Old 07-26-12, 04:36 PM   #35
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Errt....correct. Mixing my histories again. I also said Krag .30-06. It's actually the Krag .30-40.
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Old 07-26-12, 05:21 PM   #36
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I just do not see a lot of upside from just blasting away in the dark.
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Come on Roy, give me a little more credit than that.
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Old 07-26-12, 05:28 PM   #37
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Apparently the citizens of Colorado are preparing for a rerun--news says gun sales are up 41% in Co since the shooting.
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Old 07-26-12, 05:39 PM   #38
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despite my reasoning, i see this as good news Ole NGTO Man.

the gun sales, not the rerun projection
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Old 07-26-12, 05:43 PM   #39
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"screwing with roads". Dang Howard, I was riding the fence on that vote but you made my mind up. TRW
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Come on Roy, give me a little more credit than that.
Buck, I did the best I could.
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