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Old 02-01-18, 03:09 PM   #21
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Any thoughts that perhaps since these are devoid of stockers they may be candidates, in the extreme headwaters, for purr strain SABT reintroduction?

For that matter can we please get something going in GA to rival what TN is doing to return these fish?
BOTH Tennessee and North Carolina have been extremely aggressive in doing this as it is THE native fish. The lack of such a program just shows how low on the totem pole cold water fishing and conservation is in Georgia which is a dang shame considering the diversity of fisheries we could possess if there was more money and care given to it.

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In my estimation, those streams today would be strictly hatchery supported. Who knows, maybe a token trout carries over but I'd think that's the exception. I would be more open to the quality of those creeks before logging and development silted everything in? Perhaps they were more legit back in the day?
That is a great question Joey but one that is hard to figure out simply from the lack of data from that time period. Could always do a survey of them now and see what they look like!

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There are some outstanding candidate streams on the two most northern tracts of Dawson Forest, over 2,000 ft elevation.
LOL, now you got me researching! I always wondered why none of the streams coming off of Pine Log Mountain were not more cared for considering the elevation of that mountain is over 2300ft. Truly must be right on the edge of habitable waters.

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I know of a few near Tallulah Falls that I've always felt should have brookies. I wish we lived in a world where a bunch of conservation minded anglers and some researchers could work together to make it happen. Unfortunately, the feds would have an absolute conniption fit
Feds would not have a conniption fit. It is more of a state issue. Regarding the federal viewpoint though, out west the BLM controls most everything and seem to be far more responsive and open minded to trying things to help the environment where as on the east coast it seems the NPS's approach is FAR more conservative and not as beneficial to the environment here. The policies instituted by both tend to bear this kind of thing out. It is proactive(western) vs reactive(eastern) from what I have experienced. I would kindly ask for @natureman's perspective on this one as he has loads of experience from his former employer and always provides great insight.

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The streams on DF I'm referring to had Brookies until the late 90's when development in the headwaters silted them out. Also messed up the bow fishing in the main creek for a while. The bows have made a comeback. The Brookies will need a little redneck creativity in the form of a cooler in the winter, a minnow bucket, and a few buddies. Shhhh. Just our little secret.
And whose backyard are the raceways in for breeding purposes Joey?!?
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Old 02-01-18, 03:17 PM   #22
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I'll do it for 200K
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I only say 300 because that's what the application I looked into asked for. I'd do it for grilled cheese and a place to stay if someone put up the funds to actually do it =)

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Old 02-01-18, 03:18 PM   #23
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Feds would not have a conniption fit. It is more of a state issue.
I have to respectfully disagree. In TN and NC they are working with the NPS, who can jump thru the federal hoops much easier. There certainly are factors at the state level that play a significant role, but the federal regulations are beyond archaic, and they really handcuff what state agencies can do.
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Old 02-01-18, 03:29 PM   #24
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I have to respectfully disagree. In TN and NC they are working with the NPS, who can jump thru the federal hoops much easier. There certainly are factors at the state level that play a significant role, but the federal regulations are beyond archaic, and they really handcuff what state agencies can do.
Yes which is why I included the statements after the one you cherry picked. I 100% agree that the archaic mentality that is so pervasive within the NPS is actually costing us time and opportunities to right these environmental issues that our ancestors created and left for us. The logging as well as the gold rushes truly changed the environment here nearly beyond repair. Clear cutting and the use of water monitors for mining washed all the nutrients away. An interesting study would be to compare the nutrient viability of old growth forests vs logged and mined and reforested areas. Could provide some good perspective data points that have not been realized yet, but again you have to jump through hoops to even get permission to try to help the environment which simply is befuddling. If you were to try to get a SABT restocking program going here, how would you go about?
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I only say 300 because that's what the application I looked into asked for. I'd do it for grilled cheese and a place to stay if someone put up the funds to actually do it =)

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I'd be right there along with you!
Count me in as well!!! Sounds like a threat of a serious good time!!!
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Actually we do have, "a bunch of conservation minded anglers and some researchers could work together to make it happen."

It's called Trout Unlimited
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What exactly is everyone agreeing to do for 200k?
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Old 02-01-18, 06:25 PM   #29
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Actually we do have, "a bunch of conservation minded anglers and some researchers could work together to make it happen."

It's called Trout Unlimited
Yeah johnkies is right. TU is at least somehow involved in most stream renovation projects if not all. I've never been to a meeting but I think I'm at the point in my life where I might start attending some and see how I could be of help. Sounds like we need to make a carpool.

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Actually we do have, "a bunch of conservation minded anglers and some researchers could work together to make it happen."

It's called Trout Unlimited
TU certainly does a lot of great work for brookies. They have never worked to put Brook trout in drainages that are secondary trout streams, which was the original point. They simply do not have the ability to do so

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