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Old 02-26-18, 12:59 PM   #21
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Old 02-26-18, 01:07 PM   #22
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Old 02-26-18, 06:18 PM   #23
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Lots of great info here guys! My post stemmed from an initial interest of Tenkara primarily for the purposes of backpacking and it's significant packability! I thought if I was ever blessed enough to thru hike the AT, I might just have to pre-purchase a bunch of out of state fishing licenses, and suffer the added weight because passing over all those blue lines without at least wetting a line a few times in each state would just tear my heart right out. Yesterday evening, I was doing some experimental brook trout fishing with a 4.5' spinning rod and jigs. The creek was so small, it was only 2' wide in some places, and it was so tight I literally almost could not find a place to cast. All I could do was spot a pool from downstream, approach it from the side on my hands and knees, let out about 5' of line, and slowly lower the jig down over the edge of the bank and dabble. It was tight, slow, tough fishing. One of the hardest streams I fish, and I have never caught more than 2 there because it is just so completely overgrown.I caught two specks yesterday, and missed several including a big one. I thought "boy, if only I had an 8' rod, I could have had the reach to dabble in many, many more pools. My mind returned to experimental methods, thinking about Tenkara, and then the thought of a cane poles came to mind. It seemed perfect for the application (dabbling), although of course they are pretty darned heavy. Then I thought "why don't people use cane rods for Tenkara? They are truly the definition of simple, minimalist methods. Why isn't fishing for trout with a cane pole a "thing". It could be a really viable thing.

As for John Gierach....I may often be a worm dunking trout frying hillbilly, but I dang love his books. Sure he can be a fly hippie or snob, but usually, we are all snobs about something or another. I really identify greatly with much of his thoughts about fishing, and his humor appeals to me. I greatly enjoy his writings.

I understand the benefits of Tenkara that many of you have mentioned. Portability, simplicity, and sure enough killer dead drifts while nymphing. Just curious why cane rods have never really taken off. I've never tried it, so I can't formulate any opinion whether it is great, or a bust, but you can bet your money that I'll be trying it soon enough! Do y'all think using a furled leader might be helpful in that application?
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Old 02-26-18, 06:30 PM   #24
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In my experience, Tenkara mostly appeals to hipsters and to n00bs who are seduced by the promise of never having to learn how to actually cast a fly rod. Basically, it's a loser's lunch of marketing hype and shortcuts for people who lack the skill to fly fish.
In all fairness though, most of us who primarily fish tight blue lines with traditional Western setups never really have to cast either. It's a rare day when even the most experienced blue liner gets in a good back cast and drag free drift. Much of my time is spent water loading my dry just as a Tenkara user would. Much of my casting is also bow casting, dabbling, side arming, flicking, it flipping. Seldom do I get the opportunity to truly "cast" my fly rod. I imagine that it would be much the same for a Tenkara user. So, I think the casting argument really isn't much of a valid one to be fair. Maybe on larger waters, but not so much on tiny creeks.
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Old 02-26-18, 09:49 PM   #25
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Everybody either seems to forget, not know, or simply not care to learn anything about tenkara before bad-mouthing it.
I fish tenkara and traditional rod/reel ("western") fly methods.
I enjoy both.
I don't talk smack about gear chuckers, streamer junkies, etc etc. Different strokes like said above.

It is just fishing.

Most of what Americans think is tenkara is *not* tenkara. Just because it's a fixed line rod does not mean it's tenkara.
Not all tenkara rods are 12+ feet. I have one that is 7ft and change. There are ones that are shorter. THESE are the rods that we talk about taking to a blue line. That 7ft of mine cost me $40, shipped, from Japan. It is a great rod for little native fish. Cost about as much as an Eagle Claw and beater reel.

There are "tenkara" rods that are 30' long... Call it high sticking, call it whatever you want, but there is NO way you can get as perfect of a drift with a 9ft rod and a "heavy" line across the water vs a 30ft carbon rod and a nearly weightless line gently draping to where the fly meets the water.
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Old 02-26-18, 10:14 PM   #26
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Everybody either seems to forget, not know, or simply not care to learn anything about tenkara before bad-mouthing it.
I fish tenkara and traditional rod/reel ("western") fly methods.
I enjoy both.
I don't talk smack about gear chuckers, streamer junkies, etc etc. Different strokes like said above.

It is just fishing.

Most of what Americans think is tenkara is *not* tenkara. Just because it's a fixed line rod does not mean it's tenkara.
Not all tenkara rods are 12+ feet. I have one that is 7ft and change. There are ones that are shorter. THESE are the rods that we talk about taking to a blue line. That 7ft of mine cost me $40, shipped, from Japan. It is a great rod for little native fish. Cost about as much as an Eagle Claw and beater reel.

There are "tenkara" rods that are 30' long... Call it high sticking, call it whatever you want, but there is NO way you can get as perfect of a drift with a 9ft rod and a "heavy" line across the water vs a 30ft carbon rod and a nearly weightless line gently draping to where the fly meets the water.


30 foot, dang that sounds awesome!
The seven foot might be good for blueline, but again I struggle with tight quarters that might open up.
I wish there was a short telescopic rod that had a slightly adjustable level line system...
When I was a kid we had a cane pole that you could adjust how much line you let out, not sure if those still exist.
I'd Def be interested in playing with a thirty foot rod on the hooch!


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Old 02-26-18, 10:18 PM   #27
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When everyone is front ending you on the Hooch I'm sure they'd get the message if you were fishing that 30 ft pole haha


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Old 02-27-18, 07:55 AM   #28
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When everyone is front ending you on the Hooch I'm sure they'd get the message if you were fishing that 30 ft pole haha


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Haha. Heck yeah. I would just drift from over their head!
"Oh, is this bothering you?!" BAHAHAHAHA
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Old 02-27-18, 11:05 AM   #29
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I'm sure he's a wonderful person, but as a writer, John Gierach is an insufferable hippie, and the Boomer Buddhist crap he promotes is, in my view, the very worst of fly fishing. I wish all these fake mystics would move on to other endeavors and stop kludging up the sport with their white boy Zen poses. Tenkara fits quite neatly into the bumper-sticker-slogan philosophical universe John Gierach inhabits, not to mention the self-referrential, financially backscratching professional universe he lives in.
So you have never read his take on Tenkara.
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Old 02-27-18, 11:30 AM   #30
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So you have never read his take on Tenkara.
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I see your wit but do not find it relevant. From what Dylar has said, one passage from a book will not have any effect on how this man feels about tenkara lol

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