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Old 02-27-18, 11:49 AM   #31
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So you have never read his take on Tenkara.
Ignorance is bliss
What's there to read? Everything he's ever written is exactly the same thing. Coffee. Some self-righteous mockery of the materialism of others. Have I mentioned my bamboo fly rods lately? Some warmed over Mark Twain bit he's trying to palm off as his own 'folksy humor.' "One time on the Fork, AK turned to me and said..." I never did catch that fish, but really, isn't it the journey, not the destination? As I drove home in the snow, I realized I was content with the fact that there would be coffee when I got there.

When you read between the lines, a lot of his stories are built around privileged access to ranch and resort fishing, and each story a subtle advertisement for folks that set him up with the freebie. And I get it; that's the business model of the outdoor journalism industry. Gierach isn't uniquely a shill, but he is, professionally, a bit of a shill, and I take that into account. This is a business, an industry, and what you get from industry people is always a little compromised. Celebrity endorsements mean jack all to me.

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Old 02-27-18, 12:08 PM   #32
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U mad bro?

So I go drop $100 on a badass Japanese tenkara rod, $15 on a spool of level line that will last me over a year of fishing, $6 on tippet, and whatever on flies/etc....
The quality of that gear, vs what I could get on conventional fly fishing gear for that same investment, is worlds apart.
I guess you gotta try it to understand? There is not a single rod sold by an American company that compares to a quality Nissin, Suntech, Daiwa, or Shimano (Japanese) rod.
Buying direct from Japan lowers prices a lot.
In truth, I just objected to the tone of this post and returned smugness for smugness.
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Old 02-27-18, 12:37 PM   #33
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Man, checked this thread out to see what on earth was being discussed about Tenkara rods that would eat up 4 + pages. Now I know!

Hey Dylar, you must be a freaking blast at parties!
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Old 02-27-18, 12:38 PM   #34
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In truth, I just objected to the tone of this post and returned smugness for smugness.
All good, this tenkara thing gets some folks into friendly jabs at each other and this is kind of a running joke with the "u mad bro" comment. I can see how not being able to put this together with some of the other back and forth from these characters could be interpreted as smug but I can assure you it was more of a friendly jest.

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Old 02-27-18, 12:41 PM   #35
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Man, checked this thread out to see what on earth was being discussed about Tenkara rods that would eat up 4 + pages. Now I know!

Hey Dylar, you must be a freaking blast at parties!
I personally enjoyed his argument and while it was aggressive it was also truthful and well thought out. The only application I can see for it is just to be different, this is not necessarily a bad thing, however tenkara by no means has advantage on a well setup fly rig.

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Old 02-27-18, 12:48 PM   #36
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Everybody either seems to forget, not know, or simply not care to learn anything about tenkara before bad-mouthing it.
I fish tenkara and traditional rod/reel ("western") fly methods.
I enjoy both.
I don't talk smack about gear chuckers, streamer junkies, etc etc. Different strokes like said above.

It is just fishing.

Most of what Americans think is tenkara is *not* tenkara. Just because it's a fixed line rod does not mean it's tenkara.
Not all tenkara rods are 12+ feet. I have one that is 7ft and change. There are ones that are shorter. THESE are the rods that we talk about taking to a blue line. That 7ft of mine cost me $40, shipped, from Japan. It is a great rod for little native fish. Cost about as much as an Eagle Claw and beater reel.
My 7' Cortland and Martin 63 combo was $29.95, amortized over the 29 years I've owned it. It will do everything a 7' tenkara setup does and carry 60' of line, plus leader and fly. Most of my fishing on a year in, year out basis is small stream trout fishing. I totally get that a lot of bluelining is just dapping, short roll casts and close range tightlining. But man, most of those creeks find bedrock at some point, and when they do, they open up into long plunge pools that are simultaneously among the best trout habitats in the stream and hard to fish effectively from close range. It might only be 2-3 times a trip, but even on small streams, there are usually a few places where having 30 or 40' in the bag is real handy like.
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Old 02-27-18, 01:21 PM   #37
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Just so y'all know, I take back nothing I said about John Gierach. A friend talked me into reading an anthology (Sex, Death, Taxes and Leaky Waders, I think). He asked me what I thought and I told him all the stories/essays seemed pretty much the same. Same structure. Same basic beats. Same implied conclusions. He insisted that I just hadn't sampled enough of his work, so I hate-read through Trout Bum, Even Brook Trout Get the Blues and Standing in the River Waving a Stick. Nope, still all the same. Fly Fishing Small Streams was the only one I read that didn't feel like a expired horse well-beaten, and the only one that didn't suffocate under the dead weight of coffee philosophizing and AK stories (irrationally, I came out of my encounter with John Gierach's writing with an unreasoning resentment of AK Best).

It's not that I never gave old boy a chance, it's that I gave him a lot of chances and felt like I got scammed by a carney in the end, which I suppose is on me. Still, I take nothing back.

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Old 02-27-18, 02:05 PM   #38
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Man, checked this thread out to see what on earth was being discussed about Tenkara rods that would eat up 4 + pages. Now I know!
I was wondering the same and jumped in to see what all the hubbub was about.
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Why Tenkara? The same answer to the question, "should I use a slotted blade or philips head screwdriver?"

And then there is this one:

" .. As for John Gierach.... Sure he can be a fly hippie or snob ..."

Dare you to say that to his face ........ 8- )
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My 7' Cortland and Martin 63 combo was $29.95, amortized over the 29 years I've owned it. It will do everything a 7' tenkara setup does and carry 60' of line, plus leader and fly. Most of my fishing on a year in, year out basis is small stream trout fishing. I totally get that a lot of bluelining is just dapping, short roll casts and close range tightlining. But man, most of those creeks find bedrock at some point, and when they do, they open up into long plunge pools that are simultaneously among the best trout habitats in the stream and hard to fish effectively from close range. It might only be 2-3 times a trip, but even on small streams, there are usually a few places where having 30 or 40' in the bag is real handy like.
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